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porkchopharry August 18th, 2012 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by mustangFWL (Post 1154215)
I don't see the appeal of one stroke... Their inks are nice yes... But they are so much more expansive than other inks that are equally nice... Like excaliburs inks... They are the smoothest and best covering inks I have found.. The one stroke poly inks are nice too, they cover great but at 40-50% more cost?

I guess the ink debate is the same as the Mac vs PC debate

I have some Excalibur inks, and they are nice. But I also find that One Stroke has the look and feel that I like the best when the final product is cured.

Every other ink I have including Excalibur, when cured is kind of shiny and plastic feeling. The last Excalibur ink I used, steel grey was sure easy enough to use, but the end cure was very plastic feeling on the print, and very shiny. I think it was the 500 series Steel Grey. The One Stroke inks just feel more "natural" to me.

I went from Ryonet white to One Stroke Hybrid white. So it was like going from cement to butter.

To be fair, I haven't tried EVERY Excalibur ink out there, nor every One Stroke ink out there. So what I say probably doesn't mean a whole lot. But trust me, I am always on the lookout for cheaper inks that performs as well as One Stroke for ME.

Bear in mind, I do my own designs, I don't do jobs. But I will say that I consistently get better comments from customers who buy a shirt that I've printed with One Stroke than with the other inks. I just sort of build it into the price of a shirt.

The thing with One Stroke and price, is that what I have to do is usually test out a cheaper brand if it's a color I haven't tried yet on a design that I think will sell well from the start. usually though, once that color runs out, I'll replace it with the One Stroke version.

I just can't afford to drop the money on a mystery color from One Stroke if it's something I'll rarely use if the design bombs.

sben763 August 18th, 2012 12:53 PM

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Ive been using international coatings and are ok but I just bought a gallon of Excalibur artic white and its great. The cost $70 was no where near one stroke which I didn't like. Xenon sent me some samples and their white was very creamy, easy to print with and very opaque. Their cost is great now just have to work on the shipping cost and I may buy some ink from them.

Naptime August 18th, 2012 01:10 PM

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i have one stroke hybrid white.

i like it. but it's a bear to mix.

once it's mixed though, it's great printing with it. and i have no problems with dye migration on blends.

its the only ink i use from them though, everything else is union ink ultrasoft and maxopake.

i'll be dead before i finish this hybrid... made the mistake of buying a 5 gallon bucket. :mad:

BRTdesign August 18th, 2012 01:51 PM

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158 Creamy Glacier White XOLB QCM is the best white I have ever used

BRTdesign August 18th, 2012 01:52 PM

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and its creamy! and smooth!

porkchopharry August 18th, 2012 10:45 PM

Re: white ink
 
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Originally Posted by Naptime (Post 1154474)
i have one stroke hybrid white.

i like it. but it's a bear to mix.

once it's mixed though, it's great printing with it. and i have no problems with dye migration on blends.

its the only ink i use from them though, everything else is union ink ultrasoft and maxopake.

i'll be dead before i finish this hybrid... made the mistake of buying a 5 gallon bucket. :mad:

Wow, that's odd, I don't think I've ever come across anyone who had a hard time mixing it. Matter of fact, most people I have come across don't EVEN mix it. I don't! I just plop some on the screen and after a couple passes it's great. Never had an issue not mixing it. Try it.

My biggest gripe with One Stroke is the price on their quarts. I do not like the fact that a quart is 1/2 the price (or more) of a gallon. I don't really mind their gallon prices. Their Hybrid Black isn't that much expensive for a gallon in my mind than anyone elses and it kicks ***. And if it's a color I'm going to use a lot of, I don't mind paying their gallon prices. But they really need to do something about their quart prices. Doing my own designs, I need to experiment with colors and I will usually either have to ask for a sample from them and wait, or try another cheaper brand that I can grab local.

lknprints August 19th, 2012 03:00 AM

Re: white ink
 
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Originally Posted by porkchopharry (Post 1154187)
By $110 per gallon are you referring to One Stroke? So far, in my limited time, I find their Hybrid white to be the best white ink I've used. Actually whenever I switch from any other colored ink to a One Stroke ink, I'm just blown away. I can't put my finger on it. It's like this really low luster look that I love.

That being said, I've been curious about the QCM as I can get it local and it's cheaper. Does it have a high gloss finish to it?

Pork- The white at $110 wasn't OneStroke, it was actually a Rutland. I don't remember exactly what it's called. I can check later. We never buy One Stoke stuff because it's so expensive and has to come to us from Kentucky.

I would not say that the QCM has a high gloss finish as all. It's just an all around good white. If you can get it locally I would at least buy a gallon to try.

porkchopharry August 19th, 2012 10:56 AM

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I will try some QCM then as I can grab it local. I'm always open to trying new ink. If I can find an ink that works as well as One Stroke for me, and it is cheaper and can be sourced local, I'm always down.

I think the One Stroke white is around $110 a gallon which is why I asked. And yeah the transit from Kentucky to wherever (Los Angeles for me), is kind of a bear. My sales guy there was telling me they are starting to work with UPS on quicker ship times and lower shipping costs to the rest of the country though.

TshirtStan August 19th, 2012 12:11 PM

I just want to put my mind at rest and reply. Yes, I agree that One Stroke is a TON more expensive. I went through a couple gallons of white and didn't see a difference versus paying almost 50 percent more than traditional ink. And..... Whatever you are used to works fine. Me, I use Ryonet white with no issues I can see. When I print 50/50 Hanes I use poly white only from Ryonet. I think it is International Coatings branded. But one and use it and see if you like it. Then make your own call.

BRTdesign August 19th, 2012 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by porkchopharry (Post 1154858)
I will try some QCM then as I can grab it local. I'm always open to trying new ink. If I can find an ink that works as well as One Stroke for me, and it is cheaper and can be sourced local, I'm always down.

I think the One Stroke white is around $110 a gallon which is why I asked. And yeah the transit from Kentucky to wherever (Los Angeles for me), is kind of a bear. My sales guy there was telling me they are starting to work with UPS on quicker ship times and lower shipping costs to the rest of the country though.

you will love this ink I get it for about $50 at atlas screen supply company its a lot better than the Ryonet brand that is just I.C ink they just add Ryonet to the label but the QCM pulls easy! you will never use another ink again LOL :D

BRTdesign August 19th, 2012 12:23 PM

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$50 a gallon

lknprints August 19th, 2012 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by BRTdesign (Post 1154892)
you will love this ink I get it for about $50 at atlas screen supply company its a lot better than the Ryonet brand that is just I.C ink they just add Ryonet to the label but the QCM pulls easy! you will never use another ink again LOL :D


Holy crap! I just went to Atlas and it really is that cheap! I can't believe that they sell it for $44 per gallon for 5's! I just bought 10 gallons with shipping for $544! That's a ton cheaper than I've been paying! Thanks Dude!

porkchopharry August 19th, 2012 02:46 PM

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Is QCM XOLB High Opacity? No underbase necessary? I'm speaking of the colors.

lknprints August 19th, 2012 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by lknprints (Post 1154944)
Holy crap! I just went to Atlas and it really is that cheap! I can't believe that they sell it for $44 per gallon for 5's! I just bought 10 gallons with shipping for $544! That's a ton cheaper than I've been paying! Thanks Dude!

Correction It was only $527 for 10 Gallons!

lknprints August 19th, 2012 02:49 PM

Re: white ink
 
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Originally Posted by porkchopharry (Post 1154946)
Is QCM XOLB High Opacity? No underbase necessary? I'm speaking of the colors.

Pork - We honestly use it for everything. We actually think it down a little on our auto and Print, Flash, Print for underbase and straight white prints.

I think the XOLB means -- Extra Opaque Low Opacity.

Trust me, it's a beast!


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