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joyceepoo July 5th, 2012 11:28 AM

Can Anyone Tell Me How F&M Expressions Is Able To Do Full Color Plastisol Screen Prints?
 
I was just at their site and I declare, they are doing full color screen print plastisols over there. How? Has anyone ever seen any of their heat transfers on a shirt? Why aren't more people doing this for their heat tranfer customers?:confused:

drdoct July 5th, 2012 11:55 AM

Re: Can Anyone Tell Me How F&M Expressions Is Able To Do Full Color Plastisol Screen Prints?
 
I've pressed their samples. I like F&M and their work. I'm in the process of learning to print 4 color process prints, but going slow. You can search youtube for it to see how amazing it is. I do know that for 1 color I can't print near as fast as I can press or as cheaply. F&M's deal is great if you can work with their very limited colors.

joyceepoo July 5th, 2012 02:08 PM

Re: Can Anyone Tell Me How F&M Expressions Is Able To Do Full Color Plastisol Screen Prints?
 
But that's just the thing...with full color their colors are not limited. So how are they doing "full" color screen printing for their heat transfers???

ScreenFoo July 5th, 2012 02:19 PM

Re: Can Anyone Tell Me How F&M Expressions Is Able To Do Full Color Plastisol Screen Prints?
 
IMHO, reality is the only thing that's 'Full Color'. :)

royster13 July 5th, 2012 03:31 PM

Re: Can Anyone Tell Me How F&M Expressions Is Able To Do Full Color Plastisol Screen Prints?
 
Not exactly sure......But they probably use some kind of digital print process (ink jet, laser printer, offset) to print full colour design on transfer paper.....They then screen print a plastisol layer on top.....The plastisol layer is set-up to sort of contour cut around printed image....

joyceepoo July 5th, 2012 05:44 PM

Re: Can Anyone Tell Me How F&M Expressions Is Able To Do Full Color Plastisol Screen Prints?
 
Now that's a thought. It does seem reasonable though. They do use a white under base so that the colors pop. The prices are good too. You can get as little as 8.

arcmetal July 5th, 2012 06:14 PM

Re: Can Anyone Tell Me How F&M Expressions Is Able To Do Full Color Plastisol Screen Prints?
 
I am no expert and this topic has been covered in this forum. "Four color process printing, or sometimes referred to as full-color printing, is the process of mixing CMYK inks to print a high quantity of colors on a t-shirt". From myinkblog.com (I Googled it) Look here: http://www.myinkblog.com/questions-f...hirt-printing/

drdoct July 6th, 2012 05:20 AM

Re: Can Anyone Tell Me How F&M Expressions Is Able To Do Full Color Plastisol Screen Prints?
 
Exactly arc. The CMYK process printing looks great. I'm currently learning. A lot of printers prefer simulated process because I think it gives you even better colors. Either way it is what they say it is. You can be sure that it's not some hybrid inkjet on plastisol. Just youtube "cmyk process screen" and you'll be blown away with what you can do if you're a great photoshop guy and can burn screens correctly. Me, I'm learning. But one day I'll be there. My reason for wanting to learn is that I only have a 4 color press so it seems optimal for me (except to do on darks because then I'd need a white underbase). Anyway, it's amazing what those 3 colors plus the black Key can do.

royster13 July 6th, 2012 05:22 AM

Re: Can Anyone Tell Me How F&M Expressions Is Able To Do Full Color Plastisol Screen Prints?
 
Lets not get confused.....The full colours in these transfers in not printed via a screen printing process....

drdoct July 6th, 2012 05:26 AM

Re: Can Anyone Tell Me How F&M Expressions Is Able To Do Full Color Plastisol Screen Prints?
 
If the OP was talking about their freedom 4 color spot processes then yes they are plastisol all the way.

royster13 July 6th, 2012 05:28 AM

Re: Can Anyone Tell Me How F&M Expressions Is Able To Do Full Color Plastisol Screen Prints?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by drdoct (Post 1132597)
If the OP was talking about their freedom 4 color spot processes then yes they are plastisol all the way.

No they are not......Only the white backing layer is plastisol.....The full colour part of the design is printed by another method and does not use plasitsol inks....

drdoct July 6th, 2012 05:43 AM

Re: Can Anyone Tell Me How F&M Expressions Is Able To Do Full Color Plastisol Screen Prints?
 
It says on their website that it's 4 color process plastisol which is easy enough to achieve that color and detail with 4 color process plastisol. Why would they use anything else and then say it's plastisol? Sounds like a lawsuit waiting to happen especially when it's done every single day.

I don't have any inside information regarding F&M other than ordering their transfers and then it's only the one color transfers. I know they are screen printers though and there isn't any reason NOT to do 4 color process plastisol and do some weird hybrid where you print on white plastisol. I would think that it wouldn't be durable at all. I do know that the football player guy they sent me was 4 color process plastisol with a white underbase. Which I guess really makes it 5 color.

I encourage the original poster to look up cmyk printing on youtube though and they can see how screen printers and others can do these transfers. Also check out simulated process too but it's not that amazing. The main reason most don't offer it is because it's a very, VERY challenging process to get from photo to screen. And even then there is a big chance something won't print right or will go wrong after 100 or so prints. And it has to be on fine mesh screen for detail.

It's very doable using only 5 colors (including the white underbase) so if F&M isn't doing it that way with plastisol then I don't understand why not. Especially since it's being sold as such.

royster13 July 6th, 2012 05:56 AM

Re: Can Anyone Tell Me How F&M Expressions Is Able To Do Full Color Plastisol Screen Prints?
 
Well we will just have to disagree I guess.....

drdoct July 6th, 2012 06:05 AM

Re: Can Anyone Tell Me How F&M Expressions Is Able To Do Full Color Plastisol Screen Prints?
 
I'm not disagreeing if you have information regarding how they do this process. I'm saying they're pushing honesty by not doing it the way they say they are. Heck, if they're lying about that then I don't trust anything else they do. I have no information on F&M and their processes. I wasn't telling you that you were wrong because you've been here a lot longer and involved a lot more than me and so I don't know what's been discussed before.

I personally stay away from any inkjet or laser transfer so I for sure won't be ordering these. Hopefully I'll be able to print them myself using plastisol process colors before too long.

joyceepoo July 6th, 2012 07:52 AM

Re: Can Anyone Tell Me How F&M Expressions Is Able To Do Full Color Plastisol Screen Prints?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by drdoct (Post 1132597)
If the OP was talking about their freedom 4 color spot processes then yes they are plastisol all the way.

When you say 4 color spot process do you mean just 4 colors or full color? They are doing FULL color screen prints onto their transfers and by the wording on their website, inkjet does not even come into the picture. Note...


FREEDOM ATHLETIC FORMULA (Standard) is the first and only custom full color, 4-color process heat transfer available in quantities starting at just 8 pieces and opaque on lights and darks!

ORDERING INFORMATION
Freedom Transfers are now available to be ordered online. Your full color graphics will ship in 3 BUSINESS DAYS from receipt of approved artwork for one low price regardless of the amount of colors. (end)

This is why I wanted to know if anyone here had ever ordered any of these full color screen prints because I wanted to know if it turned out okay for them. I even called and spoke to someone named Nathan. He explained how they did it without telling me how they did it...you know what I mean? And because I am not a screen printer, I still did not understand what he was explaining. LOL!

I do appreciate everyone's input though. I have been a member here since June 2008, but I mostly read and rarely post. However, when I came across this on F&M and could not find anyone else claiming to do this, I had to post and see if anyone here had ever purchased any of these.


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