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Old July 15th, 2012 Jul 15, 2012 4:24:03 PM -   #31 (permalink)
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Default Re: Can Anyone Tell Me How F&M Expressions Is Able To Do Full Color Plastisol Screen Prints?

With the newer direct to press set-up for offset printing, like an HP Indigo Press it makes short runs like this possible....Plates on the press are imaged digitally and on the fly....
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Old July 15th, 2012 Jul 15, 2012 4:54:33 PM -   #32 (permalink)
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Default Re: Can Anyone Tell Me How F&M Expressions Is Able To Do Full Color Plastisol Screen Prints?

What makes me skeptical is that they advertise them as plastisol; the press time is in-line with plastisol - pretty short for lithos; the sample they sent me (albeit 5 years ago) was in no way from an Indigo or any digital press and the quality would be poor for a litho. Just to be clear, are you guessing or do you know they are lithos? If the latter, how do you know? Thanks.
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Default Re: Can Anyone Tell Me How F&M Expressions Is Able To Do Full Color Plastisol Screen Prints?

The backing layer is plastisol so that make them plastisol......and FM keeps the process to themselves so it just speculation on my part...
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Default Re: Can Anyone Tell Me How F&M Expressions Is Able To Do Full Color Plastisol Screen Prints?

I ordered the freedom fashion prints back in February. They pressed great and they have held up amazing. Really, really big fan. Super soft feel, not like the opaque ones with white backing.

As to the issue of plastisol or not, I cannot say for sure since I do not work for them, but the freedom prints are not from a digital process. They are plasitsol, and if they are not, I would be shocked and would love to know how they do it.
 
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Default Re: Can Anyone Tell Me How F&M Expressions Is Able To Do Full Color Plastisol Screen Prints?

Why are folks having such a problem understanding?.....There are 2 parts to these transfers.......The full colour part is either offset printed or digitally printed, likely on a special paper.....Then a plastisol layer is screened over top.....
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Default Re: Can Anyone Tell Me How F&M Expressions Is Able To Do Full Color Plastisol Screen Prints?

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Why are folks having such a problem understanding?.....There are 2 parts to these transfers.......The full colour part is either offset printed or digitally printed, likely on a special paper.....Then a plastisol layer is screened over top.....
If true they are misrepresenting their product.
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Default Re: Can Anyone Tell Me How F&M Expressions Is Able To Do Full Color Plastisol Screen Prints?

The plastisol layer makes it a plastisol transfer......Why do you think this a misrepresentation?....
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Old July 16th, 2012 Jul 16, 2012 4:46:11 AM -   #38 (permalink)
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Default Re: Can Anyone Tell Me How F&M Expressions Is Able To Do Full Color Plastisol Screen Prints?

They reason it's a misrepresentation is that 4 color process plastisol transfers is a very specific process. It's not the same thing as saying it's a color plastisol transfer. 4 color process plastisol means 4 color process plastisol. Not water sol, not inkjet, not sublimation. Royce, do you KNOW this for a fact that they aren't 4 color process plastisol, or is it a guess? I don't mind arguing guesses and opinions, but if you do in fact KNOW how they are doing this then it's silly to argue. I was hoping someone from F&M would see this and respond because I'd like to see this cleared up. The samples I got all looked and pointed to everything being plastisol.

Heck, I don't know how they even do their $.15 deal really because even the $20 base charge isn't much for all the setup. But I'm not efficient and on an automatic press either.

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Default Re: Can Anyone Tell Me How F&M Expressions Is Able To Do Full Color Plastisol Screen Prints?

If you talke to FM they guard how they do these very carefully so I doubt they will chime in....

As far as what you think a 4 colour process plastisol transfer is and what I think it is, we will have to disagree....I see no misrepresentation in how they are describing them...
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Old July 16th, 2012 Jul 16, 2012 6:34:15 AM -   #40 (permalink)
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Default Re: Can Anyone Tell Me How F&M Expressions Is Able To Do Full Color Plastisol Screen Prints?

This is reminding me of Lionel Hutz. "Works on commision no money down"--Oh wait, that's wrong-- "Works on commision? No, money down!"


What is the expectation here? Should they change the description to "Four color process, plastisol transfer"?
 
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Default Re: Can Anyone Tell Me How F&M Expressions Is Able To Do Full Color Plastisol Screen Prints?

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I ordered the freedom fashion prints back in February. They pressed great and they have held up amazing. Really, really big fan. Super soft feel, not like the opaque ones with white backing.

As to the issue of plastisol or not, I cannot say for sure since I do not work for them, but the freedom prints are not from a digital process. They are plasitsol, and if they are not, I would be shocked and would love to know how they do it.
Thanks for sharing this. I was wondering how they held up. I wish I could see a pic. I filled out the "free samples" form online over a week ago and waiting for their arrival so that I can do my own testing.
 
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Default Re: Can Anyone Tell Me How F&M Expressions Is Able To Do Full Color Plastisol Screen Prints?

I watched the video again that DrDoct shared in a previous post on this thread. Looking at the initial artwork it does appear to be something other than plastisol that goes down first. From my amateur eye, it appears to be an inkjet print. The then screen printer applied blue plastisol, red, yellow and then black. Voila! It's a beautiful full color print. But one cannot say it is arrived at by using only plastisol because it appears to start out as an inkjet print. Now I don't know about yall, but I think this is an amazing process because you're getting the best of both worlds. Whether you're having chicken and eggs for breakfast or eggs and chicken for breakfast...the bottomline is you're still getting your much needed (beautiful full color print) protein.

Here's the video:
 
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Default Re: Can Anyone Tell Me How F&M Expressions Is Able To Do Full Color Plastisol Screen Prints?

I am not sure why someone thought this video had anything to do with how FM makes these transfers...Because in my opinion (which obviously some disagree with) the image on these is not screen printed.....The only part of these transfers that is screen printed is the backing layer....
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Default Re: Can Anyone Tell Me How F&M Expressions Is Able To Do Full Color Plastisol Screen Prints?

Exactly Royster. That's my point. Two different processes worked together to bring this full color print into existence...screen printing and inkjet printing combined.
 
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Default Re: Can Anyone Tell Me How F&M Expressions Is Able To Do Full Color Plastisol Screen Prints?

I am missing something you are saying.....So what has that got to do with the video?...
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