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Old December 21st, 2011 Dec 21, 2011 7:15:24 PM -   #31 (permalink)
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Default Re: Is it ok for print on shirt to be see through when held up to lgiht?

I haven't really mixed the inks much I usually put it on the screen and the work it back and forth several times with the squeegee until it looks smoother. Maybe I need to try mixing it a lot better, I assumed that only the thicker white inks really need much mixing and the others could pretty much be used straight out of the container. I will try mixing the ink really really well tomorrow before I start printing again.
 
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Old December 21st, 2011 Dec 21, 2011 7:17:30 PM -   #32 (permalink)
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Default Re: Is it ok for print on shirt to be see through when held up to lgiht?

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you should be able to get a pretty good black print through a 230 mesh.

I did this through a 230 black&halftones and 196 for the blue.

I did flood print flood print no flashing.

That looks really good so that black was printed with a flood and one stroke through a 230mesh? I haven't gotten that dark of a print with black through a 230 mesh unless I do several dry strokes after the print stroke. I must be doing something really wrong(or the ink is too thick like was mentioned above).
 
Old December 21st, 2011 Dec 21, 2011 7:22:43 PM -   #33 (permalink)
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Default Re: Is it ok for print on shirt to be see through when held up to lgiht?

That was one of my first prints and I had alot of trouble to start.

My squeegee technique was really bad. This video really helped me.

 
 
Old December 21st, 2011 Dec 21, 2011 7:40:30 PM -   #34 (permalink)
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Default Re: Is it ok for print on shirt to be see through when held up to lgiht?

Thanks for the video, yeah I been watching a lot of the videos form catspit, hadn't seen that one yet. Might have to try the push stroke out tomorrow and see if it works better for me. I didn't even know how to properly do the push stroke, so I was only focused on the pull. Now I can actually give it a try.

I'm starting to think that the cause to my original question/concern in the first post(about parts of the image being see thorough) is probably a result of not all the ink clearing the screen on the first stroke and so all the other strokes just add ink on top of ink but the section that was lighter after the first stroke is still left with less ink and thus that part of the image is see through(does that sound right?)
 
Old December 21st, 2011 Dec 21, 2011 7:45:25 PM -   #35 (permalink)
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The push stroke is really the best way to go. It will save your hands, wrists and back. And with the push stroke your body is actually over the screen instead of you unaturally with your fingers trying to pull the squeegee toward you.
 
Old December 21st, 2011 Dec 21, 2011 7:48:13 PM -   #36 (permalink)
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Thanks for the video, yeah I been watching a lot of the videos form catspit, hadn't seen that one yet. Might have to try the push stroke out tomorrow and see if it works better for me. I didn't even know how to properly do the push stroke, so I was only focused on the pull. Now I can actually give it a try.

I'm starting to think that the cause to my original question/concern in the first post(about parts of the image being see thorough) is probably a result of not all the ink clearing the screen on the first stroke and so all the other strokes just add ink on top of ink but the section that was lighter after the first stroke is still left with less ink and thus that part of the image is see through(does that sound right?)

I had that issue, when I started using the push stroke I was clearing all the ink out of my screens. Sometimes doing a dry stroke for good measure.
 
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Default Re: Is it ok for print on shirt to be see through when held up to lgiht?

So you started with a pull stroke and had the problems I'm having with ink being left in the screen and prints being partially see through and then switched to the push stroke and it fixed it?

Also I noticed the guy from catspit tapes his screens on the shirt side, I was taught to do it on the squeegee side. Which do you use? Is one better than the other? To me taping on the shirt side looks much easier and like a better idea than what I'm currently doing.
 
Old December 21st, 2011 Dec 21, 2011 8:04:56 PM -   #38 (permalink)
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Default Re: Is it ok for print on shirt to be see through when held up to lgiht?

I have recently started to tape on the shirt side as well.Its just easier and faster to me. Sometimes I dont tape at all if the image is small
 
Old December 21st, 2011 Dec 21, 2011 8:16:48 PM -   #39 (permalink)
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Default Re: Is it ok for print on shirt to be see through when held up to lgiht?

yes, i had trouble clearing the screen with the pull stroke, but i was using a really bad technique on the pull stroke as well. My squeegee was bending so I did not get a nice angle with the edge and screen. Lots of people use the pull stroke and get good results.

Oh, you guys noticed the tape too? I am so messy I would be afraid of getting a bunch of hard to get ink stuck in the edge.
 
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Default Re: Is it ok for print on shirt to be see through when held up to lgiht?

I'm sure my pull squeegee technique is pretty horrible too and that's prob whats contributing to a lot of my troubles.
 
Old December 22nd, 2011 Dec 22, 2011 7:34:23 AM -   #41 (permalink)
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Default Re: Is it ok for print on shirt to be see through when held up to lgiht?

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I will agree 1 stroke is the best method all around. But I am going to guess Gerry and Tyson have been printing for awhile and have good equipment. Keep in mind when giving and receiving advise that not everyone is capable of a one stoke print especially printing for 2weeks. It took me at least a year to get a quality print that pleased me in one stroke but I am picky and that was mostly the lighter inks the darker inks were easy.
Several things I found that really help archive this goal. 1 roller frames at high tension. 2 some of the ergo sqeegee's with triple durometer blades 70/90/70 especially for 1 hit white. Instead of doing a 1/1 coat of emulsion I do a 1/2 wet coats 1 on shirt side and 2 on sqeegee side. This I know is wrong but when I did 2/1 I had problems. Then redial my exposure time and started using a cheap pressure washer to wash out image. Worked well with the thicker stencils.
You are absolutely right--I should clarify that I'm not advocating one stroke light ink on darks to anyone who isn't bored with what they're doing.

I don't know if Gerry does that kind of stuff on a regular basis, but if you do--props.
 
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Old December 22nd, 2011 Dec 22, 2011 8:17:03 AM -   #42 (permalink)
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Default Re: Is it ok for print on shirt to be see through when held up to lgiht?

I do the push stroke about 95% of the time, the only time I dont do it is if I am doing a small left chest and then I pull one handed. The push stroke really saves time to. With a pull stroke you:
1)flood the image area toward you
2)move squeegee back away from you
3)Print toward you
4)Put squeegee back

Push stroke:
1)Flood the image area toward you
2)Print away from you and you are done.
 
Old December 22nd, 2011 Dec 22, 2011 8:24:33 AM -   #43 (permalink)
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I do the push stroke about 95% of the time, the only time I dont do it is if I am doing a small left chest and then I pull one handed. The push stroke really saves time to. With a pull stroke you:
1)flood the image area toward you
2)move squeegee back away from you
3)Print toward you
4)Put squeegee back

Push stroke:
1)Flood the image area toward you
2)Print away from you and you are done.

I do the same technique, works well for me.
 
Old December 22nd, 2011 Dec 22, 2011 11:41:52 AM -   #44 (permalink)
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Default Re: Is it ok for print on shirt to be see through when held up to lgiht?

I'm looking forward to giving it a try today. I thought I had actually attempted a push stroke once(and absolutely hated it), but after learning what a push stroke really is I realized what I attempted was more like a reverse pull stroke lol
 
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Default Re: Is it ok for print on shirt to be see through when held up to lgiht?

haha, i did the same thing.
 






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