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Garment Creator Capabilities

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#1 ·
Garment Creator may have its limitations, but these 3 images were the exact same file. After looking at the final prints, I'd say the limitations are not extreme. I call them, Good, Better, Best! No RIP, all Epson's Garment Creator out of the box. It's still in Beta, but improving every day. The first one was 2 passes of white, 1 color and the 2nd 2 were 1 pass white, 1 pass color.
 

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#3 ·
My goal is to attempt to achieve the best possible print from what is out of the box. Garment Creator is extremely simple to use, and as you can see, does a more than adequate (in other words, very good) job. The purpose of a RIP is to achieve great results and give more control, but with results like these, Garment Creator may very well be all that most people will need or even want. I'm not saying we won't provide a RIP solution, I'm saying why try to sell everyone on a RIP if it's not necessary. Some people may want one and others may not. Use the tools that best fit the needs of the person or company printing.
 
#4 · (Edited)
I understand your points.
Epson as is better than many out there but optimize capability to max isn't a bad idea too. This is why you said "I'm not saying we won't provide RIP solution" in future. Why?
Rip also extremely easy to use. 4 clicks and print.
With very inexpensive/cheap price tag there are no reason to not look for better result if there are betters. IMHO.
How will you take out black ink while you print black shirts?
As Dave(RIP writer)said on other thread, if we use Garment Creator "image will get edged(? Not good, right?)". I thought this was AA's printing skill shortage but when Dave(very respectable) said this I realized it was not AA printing skill.
Any solution? It is shame we cannot show by picture. Black ink on black shirts wasn't look good at all (kind a smudged look). Also Dave said "use photoshop to do so". Photoshop is the hard one to use/learn than any rip out there. :)
I hope your RIP will be ready soon. My door is open always.
Cheers!
 
#5 ·
I mean pictures like this big and clear.
Peter,

In my opinion, the forum picture upload is better because it does not require me to scroll left and right to read the text written in all the threads on the page. When you post the image the way you did, it requires people to scroll. The forum upload feature allows people to click on the thumbnail to see a medium size picture. From there, you can click on the medium size picture in the lightbox and see the full size picture in a different tab / window. Thus, forum members get the benefit of seeing a larger picture if they want without having to scroll.

Mark
 
#6 ·
I do want to bring clarification to the three prints. The first one was printed the day before the other two and before I did a head alignment. Doing a head alignment is as simple as selecting it in the menu, the printer prints bars and you indicate which set of bars has the least amount of gaps. The second set was done the following day and playing around with settings in Garment Creator. Once you have what you want, you can save it as a preset. The simplicity of Garment Creator is importing your file, select the preset and hit print, nothing else needed.
 
#13 ·
Garment Creator can do soft edges, but it doesn't do this if you remove black from within Garment Creator. You have to setup the transparency in something like Photoshop first, save as a TIF or PNG an then import.

It can produce good output when everything is setup correctly that can rival a RIP output. But it does take more steps and more skill that a RIP would take. For example a good RIP will offer printing onto a black shirt that shouldn't be anything more than import and print.

A good RIP can also offer a lot of other features / benefits over Garment Creator (not just print quality), such as tools for background removal, templates for automatic sizing and positioning, multiple queues (presets), automatic black removal for black shirts, PSD support CMYK support.
All these things mean you can get better output with less skilled operators.

I am sure there will be users who will buy the machine and wont want to spend any more on 3rd party RIP software, I am also sure there will be users who will consider the small % for the RIP in comparison to the $20K for the printer as a good investment.

Garment Creator should push the RIP companies like us to make further improvements to make bigger differentiation between the RIP and the bundled software, the end users will be the ultimate winners.

I would hope that the end users will see our RIP as a small cost in comparison to the machine that can easily justify the benefits it brings to running the machine daily.

Best regards

-David
 
#17 ·
Peter you are removing the background (black) using the Garment Creator software and that is why you get a hard edge (either on or off).

If you remove the black from the image in Photoshop or a similar application using color selection or magic wand and save as a TIF (single layer with transparency) and import this and print you will get similar results to the 3rd party RIP output.

Obviously its much better when the RIP software can do this automatically, but I do think putting up these images is a bit miss leading as it doesn't show how Garment Creator should be used for images like this and it can create acceptable results.
You just have to understand the work flow required.


Best regards

-David
 
#23 ·
Peter use color range selection tool on the RGB 0,0,0 pixel with fuzzinest 65 - 120 % and then deleted the selection leawing transparency.

Then you will need to setup grandient underbase in Garment Creator (not sure in it's capabilities in this matter).

The output should be similar if not better than kothari.
 
#24 ·
You can't actually be serious?!? From my experience DTG owners and their customers need a much more efficient way to print. Bringing every single image into PS to modify it is unacceptable. I like having a RIP that simplifies the process and creates the desired results without any modifications. Every software/hardware ever created has limitations and while GC is decent out of the box it doesn't mean there isn't room for improvement. My TV at home display's the football games just fine but if I want to pay my cable company for a high quality HD package then the football game will be even better and utilize the full capabilities of my TV. Same thing with GC vs RIP.

Does GC work out of the box? Yes.
Will using a profiled RIP make it better? Yes.
 
#25 ·
Once again, the intent of the thread is getting lost. It is about Garment Creator's capabilities. Where it lacks, we are giving feedback on how to utilize it effectively. If that means using Photoshop, sobeit. Everyone knows RIP will simplify the process, there's no need to continuously go on about it. If the thread was titled Garment Creator vs RIP, then by all means have at it. As the thread starter, I'm not trying to be repetitious or nitpicky, it's just not what point I wanted to get across.
 
#29 ·
I was giving information that not many people would have. Look at the title of the thread. Why dig into more than what I'm stating as my intention? When the RIPs become available, I'm sure there will be many posts about their results and capabilities.
 
#33 · (Edited)
Coming Long Beach ISS show is real Epson launching stage.(1/17-19). 7 Locations will be displayed on floor. We will find Epson every corner. lol. Very excited. Yes, AA is honored to be a one of Epson dealers. However "Garment Creator"(Epson Driver) do have room to be upgraded. I hope I will have a chance to discuss about it with Larry(Epson) at Long Beach.:) I will share "know how" with all. BYOA(art) and BYOB(for me).
Cheers! Beers are on me always.
 
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