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EPSON SC F2000 ink price

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#1 ·
i found epson dtg's cartridge price.
250ml cmyk is 11800 japanese yen.600ml white is 23400 yen.ink starter package cost is 70800 yen.ink not include new machine.
what do u say about it?
 
#32 ·
Agree with Eric. I don't understand all those posts. Anyway... I really don't think it matters either if a print starts to "fail" at wash 50 or 60. If a customer comes in and says "I washed this 50 times I wanted it to last 60, give me my money back" I would tell them to pound sand. Most shirts will look so bad at 50 washings that who gives a darn if the print looks better for another 10. If image armor is lasting 50 that is awesome in general. Not only that but you have to do a whole lot of testing and wasted water from washes to figure out that 50 is the mark for sure for one... And 60 is the mark for sure for the other. It's all relative.
 
#34 ·
Its a roll to roll system. The cleaning paper wipes the bottom of the print head in a single motion going from one "clean" roll to the "dirty" roll. A fresh new piece of cleaning paper is then used for each cleaning. It is a consumable and you have to purchase the entire unit when out of cleaning paper. I dont know how long the paper roll is or what the expected lifespan is either.
 
#37 ·
Yes..well sorta...it does two channels at a time. The fabric wiper was what I was talking about where it is a spool to spool type of system. Very innovative as there is always a clean piece of fabric to wipe the print head with during every cleaning cycle. My only question is how long does it last...I know you have to replace the entire unit and its under $200 but only time will tell how much paper is on the roll.
 
#38 ·
Not sure where the $39.95 price came from, but it's my understanding the Print Head Cleaning Kit (replacement fabric wiper, flushing pad, & cleaning cap station) are purchased together for $94.95. I heard its good for 1,000 prints whereas another Epson rep stated up to 1,500 prints.
 
#44 ·
Don't know if the last message was for me....but the prize I can get ink for here in Denmark, Epson cartridges is close to half the prize of Brother cartridges....and since these are the 2 printers I have looked at, I think that is great news. I guess it in the end it will give less problems with closed cartridges than I have had with my Texjet-fill-yourself-cartridges (and yes I know it is more expensive, but if less problems it might be worth it) ....Also it is so great that I can print from my MAC to the Epson printer.
 
#47 ·
I wonder if part of that strength comes from the 5 individual dual-channel capping station areas.

Technically, can't the printhead sense clogs due to higher temperature responses within a channel, and then do a wipe-and-purge on that individual dual-channel?

With those who use an Epson aqueous printer, they are limited to an entire bank of channels per wipe-and-purge. In that case, even custom ROM-based aqueous conversions may not even bother to check nozzle temperature.
 
#48 ·
Brian, there is actually only one cap assembly that pulls the ink. There is a set of 5, but there is no pump attached to it. So when the cap pulls ink, the head moves over to the single cap with pump and pulls from two channels. The other 5 are meant to remain dry.
 
#52 ·
I need to spend a day or two with the Epson to see how the cleaning cycle goes (especially between shirts). A small camera or two mounted properly would probably give us a lot of information that Epson wants to keep proprietary.

It doesn't really matter that much, though. Epson controls the printhead tech. Third parties buying Epson hardware generally aren't buying the ability to modify the motherboard and add much-needed features. They're not investing in their own custom capping station assemblies, etc, etc.

This is a big coup for Epson because of controlling the technology chain.
 
#54 ·
If you spend some time on Google Patents, you'll see that Xerox patented the nozzle check sensor (2001 or so) -- Xerox also owns the patent to try to "purge" a printhead based on information response from a single nozzle. I don't have my home laptop here where I have these bookmarked (I think) but they're both interesting and old patents that are still valid. It might be a reason why Epson won't change the current state of a clog abatement -- licensing costs.

Still, I would be really saddened if Epson didn't do more than just a wiper roller cloth and a smaller capping assembly to focus on fewer channels. There is so much that Epson CAN do with their current printhead that just seems to be left out. I understand that Epson makes a lot of cash selling their printhead tech to big industries that put DTG in the tiny minority, but considering their power in owning most of the tech, I was hopeful to see something different.
 
#55 ·
I have had the printer for 2 weeks, I need to shake the cartridges. I have not yet printed with white....but tested nozzles and run light end medium cleaning to get the white lines....and then it does this ink circulation thing that sounds very drastic.....and today it asked me to do a tube cleaning of the white tubes, I had to put in cleaning cartridges in, and it did whatever it had to do....nozzle check still perfect white lines, I am very interested in how long you can actually leave the printer unattended.
I think Epson should add a feature to the firmware that makes it possible for the printer to do ink circulation og light clean every day by itself....now I am scared to leave for vacation :)
 
#56 ·
I've let this system sit for a week turned off with with white ink in it and no issues. Even for the last show, I shipped it to the show with all ink in the system with no problems. This isn't something I normally would do nor recommend, but we were told by EPSON that if you knew you wouldn't be around for a month or more, flush out the white ink.

Also, you will want to turn off the Auto Clean in your settings on the printer. It will do a Medium clean every time you turn the system on and it's not necessary, it just becomes a waste of ink. You will still want to do a light clean on the white channels only after you power the system on. A Medium clean should be used only if you would have some serious clogging issues that wouldn't go away (something I have yet to see).

1) Turn on Printer
2) Printer prompts you to shake the white cartridges, pull them out and shake them for 15 seconds
3) Choose OK on the printer that you've done this
4) Printer does ink circulation
5) Run a Light Clean on the white channels only
6) Do a nozzle test

In our environment, 1 light clean is all that ever seems to be needed, but a Medium clean uses close to 10 times the amount of ink a Light clean does. So even if you had to do 2 or 3 light cleanings, it's much less than a medium clean.
 
#57 ·
thanks again Jerid...

For the same reason I have not turned the printer off, unfortunately the fan is running all the time, but I hope that might change in an firmware update :)

I have heard the same, that it can be off for a while without problems...my old texjet died from that so I am a little paranoid :(

I did buy cleaning cartridges and figure they can be in it while I am gone :)

But so far no problems...I have done the light cleaning and only one the medium......but would be cool if you could ask it to do that once every day...so if you talk to Epson suggest that :)

-H
 
#58 ·
Honestly, it's safe to turn the system off. I was in the same mindset at first due to the nature of direct to garment ink, especially the white, but I had to test the boundaries so I could let others know the effectiveness and routines of the printer.

Turn it off every day, but make sure you turn off the auto clean when powering on mode. Your whites will always drop out for the next day, but this will do it with or without the printer on. A Light clean will get it back with no issues. Like I said before, I left the printer off for a week (attending a trade show) and came back with no problems. If I remember correctly, I had to do a couple of simple cleans on all channels, but after that, it ran with no issues. So far, since December, I have yet to have an actual clogged nozzle.
 
#60 ·
Thank you so much for your feed back Jerid and Harry, I really appreciate it, sorry for my many questions…but of course I have a few more :)

Where do I remove the auto cleaning on start up ?
I am not sure i can find it, is it "Print setup” -> "power on cleaning" ?

And how often do you clean the heads with the cleaning liquid?

and Jerid isn’t 1:1 always f.ex 10 ml to 10 ml and 1:3 f.ex. 10 ml to 30 ml :)? even though we are on different continents :)
- sorry maybe that was the other thread :)
 
#61 ·
Where do I remove the auto cleaning on start up ?
I am not sure i can find it, is it "Print setup” -> "power on cleaning" ?
This should be in your manual, but it should be something like that. I don't have our machine to go along with it and I don't have the manual on this computer.

And how often do you clean the heads with the cleaning liquid?
You don't clean the heads with this liquid, you clean the caps on the capping station. You would do this once per week.

and Jerid isn’t 1:1 always f.ex 10 ml to 10 ml and 1:3 f.ex. 10 ml to 30 ml :)? even though we are on different continents :)
- sorry maybe that was the other thread :)
I've always understand this to mean X parts to X Parts, so a 1:3 would be 1 part pretreat and 3 parts water, or 4 parts total.

Of course, this is how I've understood it and I could definitely have misunderstood this throughout the years. ;)
 
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