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January 10th, 2012 11:00 AM
Re: 4/22: Announcing Marketplace Changes

well, the structure has changed completely, for a premium shop if you make under a certain thresh hold they take a % of sales instead of the monthly/quarterly/annual fee. So that is a good thing. The marketplace $ per sale is still pitiful... $1 to $4 per large item. I make .40 per sticker sale. I've removed all but a very few items from the marketplace and now I am contemplating putting them all back in because I no longer rely on this medium for my income. I make apparel myself now. I keep CP up because I have many hundreds of designs there. Good luck, I say do some research and try it out...
September 21st, 2011 01:54 AM
Re: 4/22: Announcing Marketplace Changes

Has the situation gotten any better over at cafe press ? I was thinking of opening a shop there .
June 17th, 2011 12:52 PM
Re: 4/22: Announcing Marketplace Changes

I also went from about $6 per t-shirt on average to about $1 when this change went into effect, that's a massive drop in earnings especially when you consider most people buy more than one item per order. The new payment level is a joke and an insult to designers, other online t-shirt retailers are paying more than that for affiliates just to link to their products.

Used to get a lot of sales from the marketplace (more marketplace sales than website driven sales) before it became saturated with too many designs.

Will be trying Zazzle whenever I get the time to add all the top designs to their website, I've never tried them before and they seem to be the most popular alternative.

I think it's worth people keeping their old cafepress listings just for possibility of continued sales and publicity for your designs and your own site (if you have one).
September 1st, 2009 02:31 PM
Re: 4/22: Announcing Marketplace Changes

Any opinions on the comparing the print quality of Zazzle vs. Printfection vs. DecoNetwork? I tried Zazzle once, but the dye sublimation printing came out fuzzy.
August 14th, 2009 03:52 PM
Re: 4/22: Announcing Marketplace Changes

Our designs, our work, and we pay and we get it right up the ole Kazzoo. I did not make enough this month to pay for 2 shops. And now they are threatening to close me down if I do not pay ASAP.

We should all ban together and promote each other. And also there is no way to know if someone does go through our shop if we get the correct markup. I have not had one shop sale in 2 months and that is strange as 30% of my sales were from my shop. But Cafepress has blocked any way for someone to find us now and that probably is part of it.

They did it all so it looks as if we have nothing to do with each other. Same company same designs different prices. Sounds fishy to me.

How can we get our due?
July 16th, 2009 05:20 PM
Colossi Clothing
Re: 4/22: Announcing Marketplace Changes

I'm glad that I found out about this change before registering for a premium site. I had been planning on starting to create t-shirts through CafePress, even opened up a basic shop but didn't put anything on it. I've just been testing the waters with other PODs to see what's out there.
July 1st, 2009 05:14 AM
Re: 4/22: Announcing Marketplace Changes

I have an update to my recent post. I have just been offered a licensing deal where the company will take my camera-ready art, post it on their many webstores for a POD model along with selling wholesale. They are going to pay me 20% of the retail price on webstores and 20% on wholesale. All this without doing anything but providing original art. CP is not providing a fair rate structure. At a minimum, they should be offering Shopkeepers a 25% royalty on the Marketplace sales.
June 30th, 2009 11:52 AM
Re: 4/22: Announcing Marketplace Changes

Hello All,

I'm new to this forum but I'm so darn mad at CP that I went online to see if there were any discussion on the marketplace changes.

First - I have been doing traditional t-shirt licensing for 20 years. Brick and Mortar companies traditionally pay an advance and then a 10% royalties on products sold. They take the artwork and do all the production, marketing and sales.

Second - I have sometimes sold direct to the catalog market for these t-shirt licensing companies and when I do, they pay me an extra 10% commission on goods sold.

Now back in 2001 in addition to my traditional licensing I signed up for CP. I grew my premium store as CP did. I hired people each time I needed to upgrade my stores. I added special coding on my regular website to link to the CP section that matched the cartoon image on my site. I kept my markups modest but basically I was getting a 25% markup. This seemed fair. I had to set up the stores, formated the artwork, add the SEO features, etc. Cafepress was earning their income from the difference between their costs of good and the price they charged shopkeepers. Cafepress was very innovative and always trying to provide the best customer service for both the shopkeepers and the customers.

It seems like with the Marketplace change, they have become a company that I don't recognize. I had to write to them twice before my initial email was responded to, then I just got lip service. I then was escalated to a more senior manager where I continued to get lip service.

Cafepress is using copyrighted designs for their marketplace section. The artists set up the stores, do the tagging, and most of the admin work to set up the stores. Cafepress is already making a profit from the markup of the goods.

I can understand the need for consistency in pricing for the marketplace and I can also understand if CP where to take a reasonable percentage in addition to the markup on goods for their marketing efforts but using the same example above, instead of the 25% royalty I was making on a $20 item that has a markup of $5, I would now be making only $2. That means that I now earn 10% instead of 25%. CP is taking advantage of my store.

There's aren't any really good options right now. My stores still earn about 50% of sales and all the labor has been set up but I have discontinued added new stores. They also don't have an easy way to turn off the marketing place sales. (I have over 1000 images that I would need to go back and remove tags.)

I was speaking to my traditional t-shirt licensing vendor and he told me that CP accepted venture capital money and that is probably why they are putting the screws to the shopkeepers.

It's sad when a company that was so innovative and customer service oriented becomes greedy.

June 8th, 2009 09:43 PM
Thomas Veil
Re: 4/22: Announcing Marketplace Changes

Here's something interesting...apparently one of the big companies, Discovery, has pulled out of Cafepress.

Link to Cafepress forums topic: http://forums.cafepress.com/eve/foru...38/m/322100313

Looks like they went across the street to a competitor.
June 4th, 2009 02:31 PM
Re: 4/22: Announcing Marketplace Changes

I've started over at Zazzle and made 20 sales in the first 3 or so weeks and had 2 designs featured as a TBA which is nice.

I've closed one CP store and will probably close another before the end of the year.My 2 main stores I'll keep and see what happens with the so called algor thingy change.

If I could shift,with the click of a magic wand, all 1800 designs from my stores elsewhere I would,but I can't.It's a matter of economics with me at the moment until I can get up and running elsewhere,some cake is better than no cake!

I've never liked bullies,I've seen enough of 'em to last a life time during my Military service and I look at CP as being just that right now.The whole thing has gone from a nice symbiotic relationship to an almost parastic one.

If greed is good,then CP is very,very,very good.I just worry if the same thing will happen with Zazzle in a few years time? Don't think I'll ever see a 4 figure cheque from CP again;and there was I thinking one day a 5 figure one would have been possible !
May 24th, 2009 06:54 PM
Re: 4/22: Announcing Marketplace Changes

I've been messing with zazzle and printfection, probably gonna try out some others as well. Mostly though I've been working on my own website, it kinda looks like cavemen carved it into a wall, but it's a start.

My brain has kinda shut down the past couple weeks or so as well, I never really had decent sales in the first place, but now the few sales that I do get are going to be almost worthless.

But just like most of us from CP, I'll keep plugging away and hopefully make up the losses on other sites.
May 24th, 2009 01:00 AM
Re: 4/22: Announcing Marketplace Changes

Originally Posted by Thomas Veil
And on top of this, CP is now offering "group" (read: generic, do-it-yourself) designs. Shopkeepers can't help but feel CP is competing against them.

So yeah, I'm gonna look at Spreadshirt, Zazzle and the others.

Many of those other competing services do this as well.

May 23rd, 2009 01:29 AM
Re: 4/22: Announcing Marketplace Changes

I set up a Zazzle plan to also set up at maybe printfection as well. want to at least get one other store at another POD going.

As fpr CafePress I will be closing my premium store at the end of the moneth and open a free store in it's place that will have advertising shirts and redirect people to my off site domain.
May 22nd, 2009 03:52 PM
Thomas Veil
Re: 4/22: Announcing Marketplace Changes

Sticking with CP will be purely a matter of economics to me -- as it is to them, apparently. I've been loyal to them for five years now, and I cannot help feeling screwed.

I have a political shop and a general interest shop. Last fall I made $3000 in one month on Obama designs. Yes, granted, with the election over, that was bound to drop significantly, and it did, but it really went into the dumper the last few weeks. You know how much I've made this month? $15. Fifteen friggin' dollars.

And most of that was off the general interest stuff, not the political store, which had made me a Top Shopkeeper several times. I guess the Obama designs are now too "redundant" for CP's marketplace. I can't console myself by saying I'll just try harder for Shop sales, 'cause have you seen the prices Google charges for using Obama-related keywords???

And on top of this, CP is now offering "group" (read: generic, do-it-yourself) designs. Shopkeepers can't help but feel CP is competing against them.

So yeah, I'm gonna look at Spreadshirt, Zazzle and the others. If I'm gonna be making $15/mo. off of Cafepress, hell, that's barely enough to keep my two stores open. So what's the point???
May 19th, 2009 09:54 AM
Re: 4/22: Announcing Marketplace Changes

I'm not moving to another POD, but have heard Zazzle, Skreened and Printfection. My new site will use Zazzle for some fulfilment instead of CP, but the big shops I already had are still on CP for now as I learn the shirt making biz. I'll be opting out of the MP later this month. Not too excited about "cafepress groups" either.
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