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January 29th, 2020 02:19 AM
davidjhn127
Re: What are your thoughts on FOREVER Subli-Light (first hand experience only)

It is good and compatible with different types of sublimation printers.
January 28th, 2020 09:38 AM
TABOB
Re: What are your thoughts on FOREVER Subli-Light (first hand experience only)

Quote:
Originally Posted by PedalJustPedal
Might want to ask yourself why the largest maker of dye sub blank apparel has onsies if nobody wants such? Vapor is not in business to create blanks no one wants.

Someone who hates poly, to the point they are emotional about it, hanging out in a dye sub forum is like a beef steak in a vegan restaurant, eyes roll. It would be like me hanging in the vinyl forum telling people no one wants vinyl. Makes little sense.
You are making things up again.
1. I said "nobody wants a cut and sew polyester one", AND the OP specifically asked for cotton. I forgot to mention that onesies are not exaxty "sportswear".

2. Dye sub doesn't necessarily imply "polyester fabric". In many cases what is sublimated is a coating... which is the case with the FOREVER Subli-Light paper.
January 28th, 2020 08:29 AM
PedalJustPedal
Re: What are your thoughts on FOREVER Subli-Light (first hand experience only)

Quote:
Originally Posted by TABOB
Of course not... That would be like asking for a beef steak in a vegan restaurant.
As I said... Most people want cotton, AND Brandonttech specifically mentioned onesies. Nobody wants a cut and sew polyester one.


By the way FOREVER Subli-Light works well when used correctly. It does require some skill.
Might want to ask yourself why the largest maker of dye sub blank apparel has onsies if nobody wants such? Vapor is not in business to create blanks no one wants.

Someone who hates poly, to the point they are emotional about it, hanging out in a dye sub forum is like a beef steak in a vegan restaurant, eyes roll. It would be like me hanging in the vinyl forum telling people no one wants vinyl. Makes little sense.
January 28th, 2020 08:09 AM
TABOB
Re: What are your thoughts on FOREVER Subli-Light (first hand experience only)

Quote:
Originally Posted by PedalJustPedal
We are a cut and sew shop in the active sports market and yes, not a single request for a cotton shirt.
Of course not... That would be like asking for a beef steak in a vegan restaurant.
As I said... Most people want cotton, AND Brandonttech specifically mentioned onesies. Nobody wants a cut and sew polyester one.


By the way FOREVER Subli-Light works well when used correctly. It does require some skill.
January 27th, 2020 04:21 PM
PedalJustPedal
Re: What are your thoughts on FOREVER Subli-Light (first hand experience only)

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Originally Posted by JynxDezyns
Experience & ability don't necessarily correlate with each other either.

You can paint every day for your whole life it won't make you the next Rembrandt, and child prodigy's are born with ability not experience.
I totally agree. People who can do and people who can't teach.
January 27th, 2020 02:40 PM
PedalJustPedal
Re: What are your thoughts on FOREVER Subli-Light (first hand experience only)

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Originally Posted by into the T
i'm pretty sure joe could suck his eye out at 250 yards with a well placed raquetball shot

coup averted (for now...)
Probably could but this forum page is about dye sub page and my point stands. The number of posts has zero to do with ones knowledge of dye sublimation.
January 27th, 2020 02:39 PM
PedalJustPedal
Re: What are your thoughts on FOREVER Subli-Light (first hand experience only)

Quote:
Originally Posted by TABOB
It's the startling behaviour of people who think they can somehow make alter reality by making things up.



Ha!... Is this why graphic tees from ALL reputable brands are cotton? Only their activewear tees are 100% Polyester.
Are you selling polyester blanks or something?
We are a cut and sew shop in the active sports market and yes, not a single request for a cotton shirt. Sorry it bothers you so that we have no request for cotton shirts. Are you selling cotton blanks?
January 27th, 2020 11:17 AM
TABOB
Re: What are your thoughts on FOREVER Subli-Light (first hand experience only)

Quote:
Originally Posted by DrivingZiggy
Define "new people." PedalJustPedal: 55 posts. splathead: 13,715 posts. Is this a coup attempt???
It's the startling behaviour of people who think they can somehow make alter reality by making things up.


Quote:
Originally Posted by PedalJustPedal
Maybe in your market but we have never been asked for cotton.
Ha!... Is this why graphic tees from ALL reputable brands are cotton? Only their activewear tees are 100% Polyester.
Are you selling polyester blanks or something?
January 27th, 2020 10:12 AM
into the T
Re: What are your thoughts on FOREVER Subli-Light (first hand experience only)

Quote:
Originally Posted by DrivingZiggy
Define "new people." PedalJustPedal: 55 posts. splathead: 13,715 posts. Is this a coup attempt???
i'm pretty sure joe could suck his eye out at 250 yards with a well placed raquetball shot

coup averted (for now...)
January 27th, 2020 01:13 AM
JynxDezyns
Re: What are your thoughts on FOREVER Subli-Light (first hand experience only)

Quote:
Originally Posted by PedalJustPedal
experience in dye sub
Experience & ability don't necessarily correlate with each other either.

You can paint every day for your whole life it won't make you the next Rembrandt, and child prodigy's are born with ability not experience.
January 26th, 2020 09:33 AM
PedalJustPedal
Re: What are your thoughts on FOREVER Subli-Light (first hand experience only)

Quote:
Originally Posted by DrivingZiggy
Define "new people." PedalJustPedal: 55 posts. splathead: 13,715 posts. Is this a coup attempt???
Sorry that posting that a "recycled" poly shirt costing less than a cotton shirt is simply not accurate upsets you. There is no "coup", how silly. If I was the owner of this forum I would be asking why has participation dropped so drastically in the last five years. Second if you equate number of post to experience in dye sub that's your choice.
January 26th, 2020 06:24 AM
DrivingZiggy
Re: What are your thoughts on FOREVER Subli-Light (first hand experience only)

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Originally Posted by PedalJustPedal
When people post information that is simply not accurate it does nothing but misinform new people.
Define "new people." PedalJustPedal: 55 posts. splathead: 13,715 posts. Is this a coup attempt???
January 24th, 2020 12:19 PM
preachntees
Re: What are your thoughts on FOREVER Subli-Light (first hand experience only)

Quote:
Originally Posted by WalkingZombie
I regret not reading this post when it was first posted, but you noted "first hand experience only", so I stayed away LOL.



There's nothing wrong with these dyesub-to-cotton transfers. People just get upset when others believe it's true sublimation when it's not. It's the same concept as using Heat Transfers for cotton, except the dyesub-to-cotton transfers sublimate the inks to the transfer fibers and then the transfer adheres to the cotton, whereas, Heat Transfers use pigment inks (recommended) to dye the transfer fibers and then the transfer adheres to the cotton.

The only difference is the dyesub inks permanently adhere to the transfer's fibers, whereas, the pigment ink does not, and over time pigment transfers will fade. Well, another difference is most Heat Transfers need to be trimmed and the light dyesub-to-cotton transfers don't.

But they BOTH use a transfer that adheres to the cotton. Whether one lasts longer than the other (long term), is still in the air. Depends how the garments are washed. Although, I use JetPro Soft Stretch with pigments inks and have created many designs for my wife's shirts and still look great, well after a year.

Sidenote: Most of these dyesub-to-cotton transfers (that I've read), recommend using Vector art only; not Raster. Dyesub-to-cotton transfers have trouble transferring raster gradients or lighter color areas. They need full-toned colors. Regular Heat Transfers can use Vector and/or Raster art and transfer with no problem.

As far as your concern for the breathability for babies, cotton is the best choice. MOST babies don't drown in sweat, so they don't need polyester to wick sweat away. And if a baby was to sweat in a polyester onesie, I bet they'll be cold because MOST polyester has a tight knit, which will keep the sweat close to its body. It's not like they are out running around where the sweat can wick out and dry fast. LOL



First off, MOST cotton is more breathable than polyester. Depends on the knit used, but cotton has a more open knit than almost ANY polyester.



Secondly, again, cotton IS breathable. The reason sports teams moved to polyester jerseys is because they stretch helluva lot more than cotton and cotton/poly jerseys, they are lighter in weight and they wick the sweat away from the body to the outside, therefore, dries faster. Cotton on the other hand, is heavier and when you sweat, it absorbs the sweat instead of wicking it out, and dries a lot slower and makes the jersey heavier. Believe me, I still have original baseball jerseys that were 100% cotton and when I used to sweat, woowee it was harder to move, got hotter and felt heavier. I also have these newer polyester authentic jerseys, and they are awesome. The only negative is they can freaking snag and rip easy. The older jerseys started to transition to open holes in the cotton/poly, and now they are like an open-knit mesh polyester to help with breathability.

I believe the reason people think they are more breathable than cotton, is because when you sweat, it keeps you cool, so you think air is flowing through the garment when in fact it's your sweat touching the skin. LOL

Agree 100% with this! We also use Jet Pro Soft Stretch and have had amazing results with it....INCLUDING on cotton baby onesies! We haven't tried the dyesub to cotton yet, but so far, haven't needed to since our Epson pigment inks and the Jet Pro SS have been working fabulously on light garments. I think if you just stay with that on a cotton onesie you'll be fine. After the first wash, the Jet Pro SS is so soft, it has almost no hand at all.

Hope you sell lots!
AS
January 24th, 2020 08:42 AM
PedalJustPedal
Re: What are your thoughts on FOREVER Subli-Light (first hand experience only)

Quote:
Originally Posted by TABOB
People want cotton... That's the actual fact!
This is also why cotton tees are cheaper than polyester (economy of scale).
Maybe in your market but we have never been asked for cotton.
January 23rd, 2020 08:39 AM
TABOB
Re: What are your thoughts on FOREVER Subli-Light (first hand experience only)

Quote:
Originally Posted by PedalJustPedal
Simply stated facts
People want cotton... That's the actual fact!
This is also why cotton tees are cheaper than polyester (economy of scale).
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