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March 19th, 2020 01:58 AM
InspiredBuffalo
Re: What you know now, would you buy the F2100 Again?

We have also for the previous three years, until last year. Our sales went up but are profit went down to well below 50 percent. Last year was more like 30 percent.
We have become more picky this year and are doing much less contract work. My expenses are already down over 5000 for the first quarter. My sales are down but it is a wash with the reduced expenses. I'm keeping more of what I do make.

DTG printing is a tricky operation. It takes a long time to idenify the sweet spot with the machines.
March 18th, 2020 12:27 PM
gatorGRAFIX
Re: What you know now, would you buy the F2100 Again?

I always run a profit margin of 50% or higher. You just have to learn when to say no at the appropriate time.
March 18th, 2020 10:00 AM
InspiredBuffalo
Re: What you know now, would you buy the F2100 Again?

I can relate to this story. Same with us, I like the quote your father said. Being busy does not mean you are making money.

I finally wised up last year after I made six figures in sales but only made about 30 percent in profit. My goal has always been at least 50 percent.
Businesses always owed us money, while we struggled with the day to day cash flow.

We have one DTG printer. We also sublimate and do promotional products and have partnered with a couple of local screen printers who do not want to buy DTG machines.
We focus now on small retail type runs that maxamize profit. I have been doing this for nine years now and can write a book on small business, especially one involving DTG printing.
March 18th, 2020 08:51 AM
gatorGRAFIX
Re: What you know now, would you buy the F2100 Again?

I have been in the screen printing business for many years. I used to do a ton of contract printing. I finally wised up. The contract guys (ad speciality folks mostly) They want every thing now! They want it cheap! They want to stretch out the payment time forever!

My Dad told me once (and it's true I think) "Don't confuse being busy with making money". I was struggling to pay my light bill while have thousands every month on the books not even collected. I was working like a dog and most of the time I didn't seem to have a nickel in my pocket. This is my story anyways.

IN MY MIND THE AD SPECIALTY COMPANIES ARE THE ENEMY! They will undercut you. They will starve you. They will jump from printer to printer. They usually have no loyalty at all. They will be the first to erupt in anger when ever a problem with an order arises. Who needs them I say.

Now the only people that owe me are schools (large part of my business) on official Purchase Orders. They ALWAYS pay and most of the time within 15 days. Everyone else pays 50% up front and the rest of the balance when they get their stuff. I have been doing it this way now for many years now and for me it works great. If your stuff is good - DO NOT GIVE IT AWAY. If your stuff is good - THEY WILL COME.

In my shop the DTG isn't my only source of income. Yes I do have three DTGs (thanks to the help of a few good folks who will remain un-named) I just purchased a 9/10 Anatol Volt automatic a few months ago (shout out). We also do vinyl and team lettering too.

I have options and when a customer comes in with an order I weigh out those options to give my customer the very best and how to make the best profit. The DTGs will get the orders with extravagant artwork or small runs and the automatic will get the solid color stuff or big runs.

I just don't think that a DTG printer works in a market where you are doing contract printing. If you MUST do contract printing get a manual printer and convince your "wholesale" customer how awesome 1 and 2 color jobs are.
March 18th, 2020 07:22 AM
InspiredBuffalo
Re: What you know now, would you buy the F2100 Again?

I see a few guys saying DTG production is slow. True, that it is much slower than screen printing. The costs of ink make it cost prohibitive to do wholesale unless you are doing a huge volume to offset the cost.

We printed wholesale mostly for the past eight years but are shop is just not making the money we could. The high costs of ink and the slower nature.

We have recently been trying to do less wholesale and more retail sales. It has not been a easy transition. We have much slower sales this year but are profit is being maxaminzed much better. It will take a couple of years to transition over.

It is really the only long term survival of a small business DTG owner. You can buy one of these bigger industrail machines but they are to expensive for us.
March 17th, 2020 11:48 AM
equipmentzone
Re: What you know now, would you buy the F2100 Again?

Quote:
Originally Posted by gatorGRAFIX
i try never to run low on white ink. I almost always have extra white ink carts As soon as I open up new ones to use I order two more.

Gene, as usual, knows how to operate his business properly. Certain items should always be on your shelf, especially when having multiple printers. At a minimum you should definitely keep 2 white ink cartridges and a printhead cleaning kit on your shelf.

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March 15th, 2020 05:58 PM
gatorGRAFIX
Re: What you know now, would you buy the F2100 Again?

i try never to run low on white ink. I almost always have extra white ink carts As soon as I open up new ones to use I order two more.
March 15th, 2020 06:59 AM
horrorjunkie33
Re: What you know now, would you buy the F2100 Again?

Quote:
Originally Posted by gatorGRAFIX
Yup. All true. I have been preaching in here for a couple of years about the DTG learning curve and the fact that the heat press is indeed the bottle neck of speed in a DTG print environment.

Now that I have three DTGs and three heat presses (I really need about 2 more) I can output full color prints at around 35 to 40 an hour easily.

One note though, the more heat presses the hotter your area gets and the less humidity in the room. The bigger the room the better when going with a multiple DTG setup.
This may be a stupid question but, how do you go about Ink for your three printers? For example, if you're low on white ink for printer #1 do you then just use printer #2 until that is low and then on to printer #3 then buy new inks for all three? Or, do you have another system for Ink replenishment?
November 16th, 2019 07:59 AM
equipmentzone
Re: What you know now, would you buy the F2100 Again?

Quote:
Originally Posted by SivaramanS
F2130 is India's F2100

Epson, for assorted marketing reasons, sells the same printer under different model designations in different regions around the world. The F2100 and the F2130 are the exact same printer.

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November 13th, 2019 12:42 AM
SivaramanS
Re: What you know now, would you buy the F2100 Again?

F2130 is India's F2100
October 2nd, 2019 09:04 AM
gatorGRAFIX
Re: What you know now, would you buy the F2100 Again?

Yup. All true. I have been preaching in here for a couple of years about the DTG learning curve and the fact that the heat press is indeed the bottle neck of speed in a DTG print environment.

Now that I have three DTGs and three heat presses (I really need about 2 more) I can output full color prints at around 35 to 40 an hour easily.

One note though, the more heat presses the hotter your area gets and the less humidity in the room. The bigger the room the better when going with a multiple DTG setup.
October 1st, 2019 10:37 PM
saltwatercolours
Re: What you know now, would you buy the F2100 Again?

Quote:
Originally Posted by BerkshirePrint
So you own a Epson F2100. Would you buy it again or run as far away as possible. I am familiar with DTG printers and am thinking about buying the F2100 so I was hoping to hear from actual owners what they think of there machines. Thank you
Good question. They are workhorses. Love mine. The process of printing DTG took about a year to master, and that's a generous statement. We have breakthroughs all the time. Still learning a lot. Just feeling comfortable now. That's what I wish I knew ahead of time. Learning DTG is like learning how to cook. Every ingredient changes the mix and the outcome.

As for the machine itself, I have 1. I wish I had 5. Printing 8 shirts an hour on maximum quality is slow, but good for retail prices. Printing white shirts at a clip of 30-45 per hour on speed mode can be decent depending on the artwork but you have to spend time colour matching etc and fine tuning the settings for each job which takes time.

It's a great tool but if you're new to DTG, I would take a full week-long training course to save yourself the time I spent learning.

One other thing, you should get 2 heat presses. 1 is not enough really. It becomes a bottleneck if you want to run a fluid job. Wish I knew that too.

There's also this other issue I'm investigating and depending upon the outcome, you may want to formulate your decision based on the findings. You can read more here: https://www.t-shirtforums.com/epson-...s/t880241.html

Best!
September 23rd, 2019 09:09 AM
Ghoster32111
Re: What you know now, would you buy the F2100 Again?

Quote:
Originally Posted by gatorGRAFIX
Well, no one from Epson has said anything to me about the F2130 at all and there have been videos about it on YouTube for a good while now. Don't think this is the new F series Epson printer but that is just a guess.
Yea I know its been kicking around for awhile but I haven't heard if there is any difference at all between the 2 printers I just don't know if it is just a different label to designate where in the world it is sold. I'm mostly just curious.
September 23rd, 2019 09:04 AM
gatorGRAFIX
Re: What you know now, would you buy the F2100 Again?

Well, no one from Epson has said anything to me about the F2130 at all and there have been videos about it on YouTube for a good while now. Don't think this is the new F series Epson printer but that is just a guess.
September 23rd, 2019 07:02 AM
Ghoster32111
Re: What you know now, would you buy the F2100 Again?

Quote:
Originally Posted by gatorGRAFIX
Trust me, the F2100 is a little bit faster and maybe it does have a cleaner cart in it but it's not really any better than the F2000 IMHO. Just sayin'
I know it's faster than F2000 and I'm on the fence about that cleaning cart. I order my tubewash from firebird and like almost everything those folks do it works better than the Epson tube wash. Thats my hang up with it but for speed I have my GTX though I feel for jobs with higher detail I get a better result using the F2000. just my opinion I am debating of adding on an F2100 or waiting to see what is new at all the shows in the Epson department, I wanna know the difference between the F2130 Vs the F2100 before I make a decision and hopefully try to pick the brain of someone from Epson who may know what is in the pipeline and what they are testing out now. Between my hodegpodge of machines I am currently good in terms of production and turnaround but I like to see what is new and shiny!
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