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September 26th, 2019 02:30 PM
gatorGRAFIX
Re: Epson Sure color F2100 vs Texjet Echo (2)

Better check on the warranty. I heard just the opposite.
September 26th, 2019 01:32 PM
Ghoster32111
Re: Epson Sure color F2100 vs Texjet Echo (2)

Quote:
Originally Posted by mrgobby
Interesting thread, just started looking into the two same machines for adding dtg to our business, initially the echo2 was the one I was looking at then it changed to the Epson 2100 having done a bit of reading up, use will be minimal to start with and would need to learn DTG, there are some secondhand ones under a year old that come up occasionally and save a fair whack over the new cost although not sure if epson warranties are transferable. New they are £11k second user fairly new around £6 to 7k from what I can see. Ghoster, are you in the UK?
No I live in the states, used to live in Ireland but that was a long time ago. But for what it is worth I think I did hear the warranty follows the machine and not who owns it but I would check with Epson about that they have a general question line or it may even be on their website. Just if you get a second hand machine make sure you see it run before you take it home I seen a few friends burned on deals before.
September 26th, 2019 08:15 AM
mrgobby
Re: Epson Sure color F2100 vs Texjet Echo (2)

Interesting thread, just started looking into the two same machines for adding dtg to our business, initially the echo2 was the one I was looking at then it changed to the Epson 2100 having done a bit of reading up, use will be minimal to start with and would need to learn DTG, there are some secondhand ones under a year old that come up occasionally and save a fair whack over the new cost although not sure if epson warranties are transferable. New they are £11k second user fairly new around £6 to 7k from what I can see. Ghoster, are you in the UK?
August 13th, 2019 04:08 PM
Pierrot01
Re: Epson Sure color F2100 vs Texjet Echo (2)

Thanks very much for your answer !

I will study the epson a little closer
August 13th, 2019 03:54 PM
gatorGRAFIX
Re: Epson Sure color F2100 vs Texjet Echo (2)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierrot01
If I do not use the epson and i do not purge the system, the epson will circulate white ink in the recycling bin to prevent it from drying, right?
This is also incorrect.

The Epson F2100 unlike a lot of DTGs on the market (such as the Brother GTX) uses a dry capping station where the head parks into an air tight section until it is ready to print again. For this reason there is no ink circulation (or waste of any kind) when your machine is powered off.

The GTX (as well as others) use a wet capping station. The manufactures of these type of printers tout this as a good thing (I dunno) but with this kind of a system you can NEVER turn off your printer and it circulates ("spits" - as in wastes or "dumps") ink and cleaning solution in the process over and over again, day after day.

Just the facts 'mam.
August 13th, 2019 03:48 PM
Pierrot01
Re: Epson Sure color F2100 vs Texjet Echo (2)

Thanks for you reply is good to know.

If I do not use the epson and i do not purge the system, the epson will circulate white ink in the recycling bin to prevent it from drying, right?

at the price of epson's ink, it will be expensive?

Pierrot
August 13th, 2019 01:54 PM
gatorGRAFIX
Re: Epson Sure color F2100 vs Texjet Echo (2)

Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierrot01
I print only 2 to 3 times a week and I think the EPSON will NOT support these delays without printing, or it will cost very expensive cleaning for white ink.
This idea is absolutely and totally wrong when it comes to the F2100. You can leave the printer sit for up to two weeks without ever laying eyes on it and it will be ready to print after boot up and a good nozzle check.

Maintenance on these machine is a breeze too. About five minutes at the end of the print day to clean out the print cap, rinse out the spit filter and you are done. No more tube washes from the early F2000 days (for the F2000 either in "eco" mode).

From the sound of what you are doing it seems to me that the F2100 is a perfect choice for you. JHMO.
August 13th, 2019 09:32 AM
Pierrot01
Re: Epson Sure color F2100 vs Texjet Echo (2)

Hello everyone,

I hesitate also between the epson f2100 and the echo2 for a purchase in France.

I have already had on the phone the sellers of the two brands, of course, both of them assure me that their own brand the best choise.

I sell about 200 t-shirts a month (95% black shirt), birthday t-shirts, every time same quality of shirt.
I don't need extraordinary quality, an medium quality is enough for my logos (simple with flat color, not photography or complicated design).

Another point:

I print only 2 to 3 times a week and I think the EPSON will NOT support these delays without printing, or it will cost very expensive cleaning for white ink.

What do you think ?

For my work my choise go first on ECHO2, because of this pressurized ink system, is maybe better for printing every 2 to 3 days without problems.

Thank you and sorry for bad english,

Pierrot
August 7th, 2019 11:56 AM
Ghoster32111
Re: Epson Sure color F2100 vs Texjet Echo (2)

Quote:
Originally Posted by gatorGRAFIX
Here are a couple of pics of the white poly tees that I printed using Firebird Light pretreatment. This shirt has already been washed once too.





Ahhhh Geno it gives me a great sense of pleasure I turned you on to The Vivid. And that is some good prints. This is an oldie but goodie I did this on Firebirds FB2GO it is a 100% polyester. (See if I can push you towards these now lol) I know my alignment is off but at least it shows it is a print and not a transfer.
August 7th, 2019 11:30 AM
gatorGRAFIX
Re: Epson Sure color F2100 vs Texjet Echo (2)

Here are a couple of pics of the white poly tees that I printed using Firebird Light pretreatment. This shirt has already been washed once too.





July 25th, 2019 11:07 PM
BobSunday
Re: Epson Sure color F2100 vs Texjet Echo (2)

Ghost that 100% true. They have "optimized" for printing on one model black and one model white with max 10 different designs. But many people dont know for this forum and in EU we dont have anything like this.

I made few orders from different print shops and I can't believe what I get for 18€ and up... On one blue tee with white and red print I did scratch the print off easily. I dont know anything about their equipment because our people arent willing to share it
July 25th, 2019 01:17 PM
Ghoster32111
Re: Epson Sure color F2100 vs Texjet Echo (2)

I remember when I first started in this industry and received training from a sales rep/ expert (This was one of the first versions of the Kornit breeze) He gave me the basics, showed me maintenance and how to navigate the RIP software but after he left and I started printing I came up with a ton of new questions like how do i do different fabrics or hoodies. He was happy to answer me but my results were "meh" at best then I came across these lovely forums and started reading everything i could and once I realized everything I learned in my "training" when it came to actually printing was wrong I got much better prints which allowed me to break off from the shop I was doing and open my own place now scoring much larger accounts that allowed me to grow and pay the bills. Its ironic the place I left is now going out of business because they cannot do DTG properly and everyone comes my way now from there because all they ever did was listen to the sales people. Like Geno said ask an end user because they will try to help you if they can and there is so much experience floating around these forums I been doing DTG for a long time now I know Geno has been doing it for a good amount of time now plus he does screen printing and is most likely way better then me at it lol.
July 25th, 2019 12:42 PM
gatorGRAFIX
Re: Epson Sure color F2100 vs Texjet Echo (2)

Quote:
Originally Posted by BobSunday
Interesting was an answer from Epson seller on ink cost per print...

I asked him about and he told me: "Look, all that about cost per print is lalalalala... You newer know how much it drains out in garbage when you are printing, cleaning etc. When you will print your first 150 tees, you can put your cartridges on the weight scale and you will know how much INK did you use for those 150 prints in average."

Honest guy
Always remember rule #1 in the DTG world is to never pay any attention to advice given by ANY DTG dealer, period! Some of the techs can be OK but even then I have heard some pretty "bologna" stories from some of them and I have spoken to a lot of them.

The end users will always have the honest answer because they have nothing to gain from it except the satisfaction of helping someone else down the line.

July 25th, 2019 12:04 PM
Ghoster32111
Re: Epson Sure color F2100 vs Texjet Echo (2)

As far as I know Firebird is the only company I know of that has gone through a ton of various shirts and came up with recommendations on how to pretreat various shirts it helps taking the guess work out of doing shirts you never tried before. Or starting from scratch. This is the link https://www.firebirdink.com/shirts/
July 25th, 2019 11:52 AM
BobSunday
Re: Epson Sure color F2100 vs Texjet Echo (2)

@Rossomeness true. 3 tanks. I will need to optimize my PT process and first do white tees, then clean PT and switch to dark PT for white underbase tees.
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