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July 24th, 2017 08:10 AM
ACedia
Re: Epson WF7110 - Need CIS system or Cartridges that work reliably (or an alternative comparable system)!

This where I got mine from

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July 23rd, 2017 09:53 PM
SigilProducts
Re: Epson WF7110 - Need CIS system or Cartridges that work reliably (or an alternative comparable system)!

Best Buy

_Terry
SigilProducts
July 23rd, 2017 09:42 PM
ACedia
Re: Epson WF7110 - Need CIS system or Cartridges that work reliably (or an alternative comparable system)!

Where are you guys finding the 7610 for 150 everywhere I go I see it for 240.higher than the 7620. I got the 7620 for 200.

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July 16th, 2017 08:47 PM
SigilProducts
Re: Epson WF7110 - Need CIS system or Cartridges that work reliably (or an alternative comparable system)!

I've been using a CIS system and inks from inkXpro since January on my 7610 and have had absolutely no issues. Easy to install yourself, costs right around $100 for system (including full bottles of all four colors). Add the $150 printer and you have an extremely inexpensive and reliable setup. Just my 2 cents

-Terry
Sigil Products
July 10th, 2017 07:45 PM
517heather
Re: Epson WF7110 - Need CIS system or Cartridges that work reliably (or an alternative comparable system)!

I used to use Jtek in a mutoh rj900 and it worked great. I wondered if it was possible to use in the little epson I just ordered from cobra, but figured I would just try their system as a whole and see how it worked out..so it would just be a matter of changing profile?
June 4th, 2017 10:45 PM
beerrubio
Re: Epson WF7110 - Need CIS system or Cartridges that work reliably (or an alternative comparable system)!

Quote:
Originally Posted by mgparrish
If you used refillable carts you wouldn't have these problems
See.....it is all your fault!

You kept saying year after year to get the epson7110 from cobra, and so I finally did. My mistake was not seeing that you said to stay away from the cis system and stick with the refillable carts!
June 2nd, 2017 08:32 AM
Signature Series
Re: Epson WF7110 - Need CIS system or Cartridges that work reliably (or an alternative comparable system)!

It seems ink expiration is a bigger problem on the desktop side especially early on with Ricoh gel inks. J-Tek liters do not even have expiration dates on them. I assume they could tell you manufactured date based on lot number but there is no such markings on the bottle. Typically in wide format ink does not sit around a long time but one has no way of telling how long it sat at the manufactures warehouse nor how long it sat at a distributors warehouse. Not saying it last forever but it does not seem to have this magical drop dead date.
June 2nd, 2017 12:43 AM
mgparrish
Re: Epson WF7110 - Need CIS system or Cartridges that work reliably (or an alternative comparable system)!

Quote:
Originally Posted by Signature Series
If you are using a couple liters a month you are greatly overpaying for ink through Cobra. Their liter price is outrageous and let us be honest. People will bash the "china" ink as cheap but I would but Cobra is buying ink form china and packaging. A liter cost, on the high side, $30 in which they sell for $200.

Using J-Tek as an example which I believe is the most popular ink on this forum for wide format and very good quality goes for about $120 from most dealers. You can find it on the internet for $100 and specials down to $85.

Wouldn't cost much to create a profile and have top quality ink at 1/2 the price of Cobra. Once you create the profile you are saving $2500 a year for a better quality ink. Just something for desktop users who are using a decent amount of ink to consider.
Excellent points. And yes something I have looked at too.

I'm OK at the ink prices I'm paying now, it does allows me to use low end equipment without the risk. But yes, I am certainly leaning that way toward large format inks, probably Italian or Korean perhaps. Not a expensive proposition to prove that out with an additional $150 small format printer and $400 dollars in inks.

The risk of having to do an ink dump is not an issue if those inks expire as at those prices as they are not sitting in printers till they are quickly consumed by small ink delivery (no ink lines). Only a small portion of the inks are ever committed at any given time in a printer lacking long ink lines and CIS, meaning the expiration can easily be managed.

Even where I am now probably at the point I can still save money and dump 50% of those in the toilet. Not that I would do that ... the inks are valuable in the market once there is a profile covering them. But you didn't hear that from me.

So yes, the math you describe will indeed work.

I now have got about 200 sq ft. of my house freed up on top of the existing office I have for the PC and printers and includes a 15 x 12 garage lined with custom built in cabinets lined full on 2 walls and electricity capacity to run (2) 16x20's, which is my current setup for the presses and packaging area. 2 more rooms are empty now and about 200 sq. ft.

Anyway I have nice options. I'm in a 2000 sq ft. 4 bedroom and just me and 2 dogs. Either that or my dogs get their own bedrooms.
June 1st, 2017 05:35 PM
Signature Series
Re: Epson WF7110 - Need CIS system or Cartridges that work reliably (or an alternative comparable system)!

Quote:
Originally Posted by mgparrish
But ink costs do matter for me, I don't waste much ink and I can print reliably.
If you are using a couple liters a month you are greatly overpaying for ink through Cobra. Their liter price is outrageous and let us be honest. People will bash the "china" ink as cheap but I would but Cobra is buying ink form china and packaging. A liter cost, on the high side, $30 in which they sell for $200.

Using J-Tek as an example which I believe is the most popular ink on this forum for wide format and very good quality goes for about $120 from most dealers. You can find it on the internet for $100 and specials down to $85.

Wouldn't cost much to create a profile and have top quality ink at 1/2 the price of Cobra. Once you create the profile you are saving $2500 a year for a better quality ink. Just something for desktop users who are using a decent amount of ink to consider.
June 1st, 2017 05:13 PM
Viper Graphics
Re: Epson WF7110 - Need CIS system or Cartridges that work reliably (or an alternative comparable system)!

Quote:
Originally Posted by mgparrish
"Some egomaniacs here like to infer that we are to stupid to fix a printer."

While you didn't call me out specifically I can't help but think you just took a cheap shot at me. My comment was specific to one person, who actually should know better than the average user just starting out in diagnosing his printer problem.

I help all kinds of people here and don't infer they are stupid. I called one gentleman out that came in here and blamed the problems on the "Epson conspiracy theory" but is claiming to be an Engineer and didn't have the very simple skill to determine that and without substituting the known good carts there is no way to know that.

Even with the suspicion of such a thing then common sense would say there should be an epidemic of this, not just from users that make the mistake of upgrading firmware. But once the latest firmware is on the Epson assembly line then everyone that buys a new printer would have "cart lock-out" from the existing inventory of that vendors products. So he (the sublimation or cart vendor) would have to purge his inventory of the carts that use those chips. If you go through the posts here there is Zero evidence of that. Most certainly I would have have gotten word on that on this family of Epson printers using the 252XL carts.

So a little critical thinking and simple troubleshooting 101 that even most people that fix things can figure out to do was skipped. Even the most green fresh out of school Electronic tech wouldn't think twice about this.

Electrical Engineers should be masters of diagnosing these kinds of problems and go way beyond that. Failure Analysis is in every Engineers toolbox, troubleshooting is even simpler. To go and state the problem was Epson lock out without any proof or the proper way to diagnose is very reckless coming from someone claiming to be an Electrical Engineer.

I know this because I am one. We make judgments based on facts and evidence.

I can assure you Epson is not your issue "using a printer in a way that the manufacturer is doing everything they can to keep me from doing it" isn't the problem nor anyone else's. If the carts electronics are bad then the printer is doing as designed.

Epson designed these models for low capacity carts, they didn't design for CIS, and even with that this stuff works if you use components that are in working order you only see the nag message and you can safely press the "Do you accept" dialog.

If you find that a printer that was designed to inform you when your carts are low or empty inconvenient too often then you shouldn't be looking at low end Epsons. Epsons from the factory don't understand CIS so you have to to press the reset button fairly frequently since it doesn't understand that you stuck larger tanks on it. This is not Epson conspiracy.

If you would like to debate the merits of my argument I'd be happy to oblige you. Otherwise engage me directly without cheap shot cowardly inferences to "ego".
Mike, I could dissect your thread and comment on each part just to back you up but...naw...don't think it would do any good with some posters. Operator Head Space is alive and well.... You hit the nail on head as usual. I was starting to feel like a misunderstood snowflake Kudos.
June 1st, 2017 01:05 PM
mgparrish
Re: Epson WF7110 - Need CIS system or Cartridges that work reliably (or an alternative comparable system)!

Quote:
Originally Posted by beerrubio
This is what I agree with. I make that 60K + in sales every year. My customers pay for the cost of the ink. If I have an unrealiable system and it won't work do to the fact that I am using a printer in a way that the manufacturer is doing everything they can to keep me from doing it and I am going through a company that makes a 'work around" that sometimes works, that causes me to have to shut down & fix it and stop making money.

Some egomaniacs here like to infer that we are to stupid to fix a printer. I figure I am too smart to waste my time when I can be making product. That is what butters my bread and a company that has top notch customer service and tech support is the way I will go. I easily go through 16 to 20 carts during high season and all the while put the profit in my personal bank account, so no complains from me with SG ink system.
"Some egomaniacs here like to infer that we are to stupid to fix a printer."

While you didn't call me out specifically I can't help but think you just took a cheap shot at me. My comment was specific to one person, who actually should know better than the average user just starting out in diagnosing his printer problem.

I help all kinds of people here and don't infer they are stupid. I called one gentleman out that came in here and blamed the problems on the "Epson conspiracy theory" but is claiming to be an Engineer and didn't have the very simple skill to determine that and without substituting the known good carts there is no way to know that.

Even with the suspicion of such a thing then common sense would say there should be an epidemic of this, not just from users that make the mistake of upgrading firmware. But once the latest firmware is on the Epson assembly line then everyone that buys a new printer would have "cart lock-out" from the existing inventory of that vendors products. So he (the sublimation or cart vendor) would have to purge his inventory of the carts that use those chips. If you go through the posts here there is Zero evidence of that. Most certainly I would have have gotten word on that on this family of Epson printers using the 252XL carts.

So a little critical thinking and simple troubleshooting 101 that even most people that fix things can figure out to do was skipped. Even the most green fresh out of school Electronic tech wouldn't think twice about this.

Electrical Engineers should be masters of diagnosing these kinds of problems and go way beyond that. Failure Analysis is in every Engineers toolbox, troubleshooting is even simpler. To go and state the problem was Epson lock out without any proof or the proper way to diagnose is very reckless coming from someone claiming to be an Electrical Engineer.

I know this because I am one. We make judgments based on facts and evidence.

I can assure you Epson is not your issue "using a printer in a way that the manufacturer is doing everything they can to keep me from doing it" isn't the problem nor anyone else's. If the carts electronics are bad then the printer is doing as designed.

Epson designed these models for low capacity carts, they didn't design for CIS, and even with that this stuff works if you use components that are in working order you only see the nag message and you can safely press the "Do you accept" dialog.

If you find that a printer that was designed to inform you when your carts are low or empty inconvenient too often then you shouldn't be looking at low end Epsons. Epsons from the factory don't understand CIS so you have to to press the reset button fairly frequently since it doesn't understand that you stuck larger tanks on it. This is not Epson conspiracy.

If you would like to debate the merits of my argument I'd be happy to oblige you. Otherwise engage me directly without cheap shot cowardly inferences to "ego".
June 1st, 2017 12:09 PM
mgparrish
Re: Epson WF7110 - Need CIS system or Cartridges that work reliably (or an alternative comparable system)!

Quote:
Originally Posted by Signature Series
Beerrubio's post demonstrates how there are two totally different types of posters. You have a group and clearly the majority that do not count on any revenue from dye sub to feed their family and another smaller group that depends on dye sub as their main source of income.

The majority of people doing this for some extra cash most likely do not count their time as an expense and are not running anything close to capacity thus if their printer is down they are not really losing anything. On the flip side you have people who simply cannot afford to be down even a single day without significant impact on their business. Kind of like comparing this to a person who tinkers on cars in their garage versus those that simply take it to the dealer for maintenance/repairs.

One thing I think everyone can agree on is CIS are not worth the massive headaches they cause for the vast majority of users. Remember my Dad always telling me do not spend $40 trying to save $20 which is exactly what most of us have experienced in buying a CIS. Looking to save a few bucks on ink while spending more in ink lost trying to make it work day to day.
This is largely true. I'm somewhere in between those 2 you mention. For me it's a good way for money on the side, I have no risk. For someone looking for a full time income very few if any can do it with strictly a small format Epson and sublimating. I know a couple of people doing it but that is the exception and not the rule.

I can afford to be without a printer for a few days, but I don't have to be. At $150 a printer it's easy to have more than 1 and often I run both as the demand is there. I always have back up and I could run a whole army of these if I needed to scale.

CIS is the reason for most of these folks woes. If you need the amount of ink that a CIS offers then looking at the lowest cost Epson solution is probably not a good choice.

There are more professional Epson models in the 13 inch arena that have much larger carts native to the printer as well as Epson ink tank that are OEM.

But ink costs do matter for me, I don't waste much ink and I can print reliably.

Another point people miss is that if you are going large format and you don't have the ink volume to support that, then you risk wasting your inks and damaging your printer since the clock is ticking on the shelf life.

So if you have existing tshirt business being screen printing or whatever, then you might be able to fairly quickly get to those ink levels, but many looking at the low end of Epson are newbies often to the tshirt business and don't have the funds to risk. Going large format means you have to amortize that printer, it takes a while to recoup that investment and if you don't then you have ink festering in your print heads so as we say "use it or lose".

I can chuck a $150 printer in a heartbeat. I get a year warranty and in one "run" that I do it pays for the printer and then leaves me with money in my pocket. So I have set it up so that I can't lose. If the entry into large format requires say at the low end of large format a 24 inch printer with near liter qntys of inks no way I want those inks expiring in a printer costing thousands of dollars. I do enough ink to be just at that demand but I get by just fine and use low end printers and low cost inks.

As you may recall when the Ricoh "graveyard" posts were epidemic here most of the users were letting their inks expire even with 40 mL carts. Wasn't the only factor, but the posts stopped almost entirely once the users were informed of the 6 month shelf life. So even at $1500 for a tabloid size Ricoh many users were not using them often enough and lost their investment as result.
June 1st, 2017 08:59 AM
Signature Series
Re: Epson WF7110 - Need CIS system or Cartridges that work reliably (or an alternative comparable system)!

Beerrubio's post demonstrates how there are two totally different types of posters. You have a group and clearly the majority that do not count on any revenue from dye sub to feed their family and another smaller group that depends on dye sub as their main source of income.

The majority of people doing this for some extra cash most likely do not count their time as an expense and are not running anything close to capacity thus if their printer is down they are not really losing anything. On the flip side you have people who simply cannot afford to be down even a single day without significant impact on their business. Kind of like comparing this to a person who tinkers on cars in their garage versus those that simply take it to the dealer for maintenance/repairs.

One thing I think everyone can agree on is CIS are not worth the massive headaches they cause for the vast majority of users. Remember my Dad always telling me do not spend $40 trying to save $20 which is exactly what most of us have experienced in buying a CIS. Looking to save a few bucks on ink while spending more in ink lost trying to make it work day to day.
June 1st, 2017 08:28 AM
beerrubio
Re: Epson WF7110 - Need CIS system or Cartridges that work reliably (or an alternative comparable system)!

Quote:
Originally Posted by api
In my opinion, the real issue is the "war" between EPSON and the sublimation ink user. EPSON sells the printer for peanuts, hoping that they will make money on the EPSON ink. The "clever" customer however takes advantage of the low price of the printer and uses cheap, non-EPSON sublimation ink. EPSON fights back!

The result: "Ink cartridge is not recognized", "Warranty is voided", etc.

Some people are lucky with the "work around" others are not. The bottom line: The "war" between the printer manufacturer and the customer makes the relationship difficult and "unhealthy". Win-win would be much better but - of course - more expensive.

Nonetheless, serious business models cannot afford this endless fight and this unreliability. Those are the folks, who write this frustrated "enough is enough" type of posts.

I was lucky enough changing my mindset, and upgraded to a problem-free system. I practically jumped out from a 15 years old Yugo to a new BMW more than a year ago. No issues since then and the extra investment has been returned multiple times.

Of course, I understand the fact that some business models need to take advantage of the cheap printer with cheap ink, and if they are also lucky in the fight with EPSON, they made a really good deal. Unfortunately however, the intentionally placed software "landmines" (by EPSON) in the printer's firmware, makes the whole printing process unreliable. Some people can live with that, others just cannot...
This is what I agree with. I make that 60K + in sales every year. My customers pay for the cost of the ink. If I have an unrealiable system and it won't work do to the fact that I am using a printer in a way that the manufacturer is doing everything they can to keep me from doing it and I am going through a company that makes a 'work around" that sometimes works, that causes me to have to shut down & fix it and stop making money.

Some egomaniacs here like to infer that we are to stupid to fix a printer. I figure I am too smart to waste my time when I can be making product. That is what butters my bread and a company that has top notch customer service and tech support is the way I will go. I easily go through 16 to 20 carts during high season and all the while put the profit in my personal bank account, so no complains from me with SG ink system.
May 30th, 2017 02:43 PM
mgparrish
Re: Epson WF7110 - Need CIS system or Cartridges that work reliably (or an alternative comparable system)!

Quote:
Originally Posted by Signature Series
Maybe I am missing something but I do not see anything to indicate the OP didn't ever try putting the OEM cartridges back in the printer and in fact never see another post from the OP.

Maybe he got what he needed or maybe he took the high road while a never ending one-upsmanship thread took ever. Seems to always have one common factor when this occurs.
I guess it depends if OP means "Original Poster" or "Other Poster". I usually refer to the OP as the Original. I think the OP only made one post.

Regarding "one-upsmanship" you mean like the old days when I used to go at it with Riderz Ready? Just Kidding


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Looks like Viper posted when I did, so he clarified.
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