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May 28th, 2019 08:54 AM
seafoam99flstc
Re: Best Ink Jet paper for black shirts...if you just have to do it

I have been seeing good reviews of the Starcraft for darks but haven't tried it myself. I have used the Starcraft adhesive on ceramic and it looks great. It's very thin and Cricut people are having issues cutting it too deeply because they don't change their settings so then they have trouble peeling it off the backing paper.
April 25th, 2019 11:49 PM
Mayan Graphics
Re: Best Ink Jet paper for black shirts...if you just have to do it

3G Opaque - We print hundreds of shirts on this stuff - RIP shirts birthday shirts - I tell my customers its can last 5-20 washes it all depends on how you treat the garment. That they are meant for a one time use. But I have done some for my self that lasted over 20 washes. I actually like how it looks when it cracks LOL It actually looks really nice when it gets cracked really bad. Gives it that vintage look.

One thing to make sure is put a lot of pressure. We press everything we do with inkjet transfers twice.
Good luck
December 25th, 2017 06:45 AM
mgparrish
Re: Best Ink Jet paper for black shirts...if you just have to do it

Quote:
Originally Posted by into the T
@mgparrish

any updates on the jet opaque II?
any tips/tricks you've stumbled upon?

i am going to re-visit this paper with some new designs,
and see if i can get better/more consistent contour cuts with my new zing

thanks for all the knowledge you share, i have learned much

Merry Christmas to you and yours
Merry Christmas

No tricks really. It images nice and is easy to use.

The hand is there but I use the heaviest weight 100% cotton tshirts so the hand isn't noticed as bad wearing the tshirt.

I haven't tried using my vinyl cutter for it yet, just a manual paper cutter.
December 24th, 2017 11:28 AM
into the T
Re: Best Ink Jet paper for black shirts...if you just have to do it

@mgparrish

any updates on the jet opaque II?
any tips/tricks you've stumbled upon?

i am going to re-visit this paper with some new designs,
and see if i can get better/more consistent contour cuts with my new zing

thanks for all the knowledge you share, i have learned much

Merry Christmas to you and yours
October 15th, 2016 10:06 AM
mgparrish
Re: Best Ink Jet paper for black shirts...if you just have to do it

Quote:
Originally Posted by tudors
@mgparrish The inkjet Dark that I tried on 100% Gildan did what you said, the shirt colour came through in this case black, and also the colours run after one wash, I did save on a shirt though because the transfer actually peeled off. Are there any basic solvent printers for purchase? It would be nice just to buy one of those and use regular vinyl for a poor mans print and cut , all the other stuff seems no good for commercial use, I still cannot understand why we don't have a proper sublimatable Vinyl which is as good as regular print and cut, I mean you use a cutter on regular garment Vinyl it's there for life. For the record apart from it being RBG black the OKI 711WT that I had wasn't bad at all using the forever brand for darks, I have a shirt on now that is just starting to crack but it has had many washes, not the best feel to it though.
As I mentioned so far I'm getting good results with Jet Opaque ll. It is heavy though. I think eco solv and vinyl would be the best solution. But you are into thousands of dollars even for the printer without a cutter.
October 15th, 2016 09:29 AM
tudors
Re: Best Ink Jet paper for black shirts...if you just have to do it

@mgparrish The inkjet Dark that I tried on 100% Gildan did what you said, the shirt colour came through in this case black, and also the colours run after one wash, I did save on a shirt though because the transfer actually peeled off. Are there any basic solvent printers for purchase? It would be nice just to buy one of those and use regular vinyl for a poor mans print and cut , all the other stuff seems no good for commercial use, I still cannot understand why we don't have a proper sublimatable Vinyl which is as good as regular print and cut, I mean you use a cutter on regular garment Vinyl it's there for life. For the record apart from it being RBG black the OKI 711WT that I had wasn't bad at all using the forever brand for darks, I have a shirt on now that is just starting to crack but it has had many washes, not the best feel to it though.
October 14th, 2016 01:30 PM
mgparrish
Re: Best Ink Jet paper for black shirts...if you just have to do it

Quote:
Originally Posted by anoop_print
Hello...

Can anyone give me idea about texjet DTG printer life....
means how much one printer prints tshirts in his life.......
and what is the wash-ability status..... white tshirts print & Dark tshirts print

Texjet company saying wash-ability is good... & 80tshirts can print in one hour....

i am not understanding this is true or false.... because all DTG Manufacture cannot tell true.. what is the disadvantage of the printer..... because they are doing business....

Can anyone help this..... because i am searching from internet about this printer review online... but i am not getting the answer...


My Points are

1. Can this printer is useful for tshirts business ??
2. Can this printer prints more than 25000 pcs tshirts in his life ??
3. can tshirts print washable is good ??
4. what is the maintenance cost ??
5. What is the ink cost per Sq.in, if 90% print coverage ??
6. pre-treatment is easy to apply ??
7. what is the hidden disadvantage of this printer ??
8. after fusing the print from heat press, print colour change or not..??
9. White ink blockage status.??
10. how much printer prints in one hour.. light & Dark tshirts ??
11. How Much ink waste, when we apply power cleaning option ??
12. how much difference between print & computer viewing design...
13. How much Wastage tshirts percentage...

One of my india machine user told me that we can print minimum 50pcs same design..

but DTG printer print one design also.... means 50pcs all different designs...
why this machine user is afraid to print 50pcs all different design, can any one have this answer too...
There is a DTG section here where you might be better served with our questions from actual DTG users. This is the inkjet transfer section.
October 14th, 2016 01:10 PM
anoop_print
Re: Best Ink Jet paper for black shirts...if you just have to do it

Hello...

Can anyone give me idea about texjet DTG printer life....
means how much one printer prints tshirts in his life.......
and what is the wash-ability status..... white tshirts print & Dark tshirts print

Texjet company saying wash-ability is good... & 80tshirts can print in one hour....

i am not understanding this is true or false.... because all DTG Manufacture cannot tell true.. what is the disadvantage of the printer..... because they are doing business....

Can anyone help this..... because i am searching from internet about this printer review online... but i am not getting the answer...


My Points are

1. Can this printer is useful for tshirts business ??
2. Can this printer prints more than 25000 pcs tshirts in his life ??
3. can tshirts print washable is good ??
4. what is the maintenance cost ??
5. What is the ink cost per Sq.in, if 90% print coverage ??
6. pre-treatment is easy to apply ??
7. what is the hidden disadvantage of this printer ??
8. after fusing the print from heat press, print colour change or not..??
9. White ink blockage status.??
10. how much printer prints in one hour.. light & Dark tshirts ??
11. How Much ink waste, when we apply power cleaning option ??
12. how much difference between print & computer viewing design...
13. How much Wastage tshirts percentage...

One of my india machine user told me that we can print minimum 50pcs same design..

but DTG printer print one design also.... means 50pcs all different designs...
why this machine user is afraid to print 50pcs all different design, can any one have this answer too...
October 14th, 2016 12:02 PM
mgparrish
Re: Best Ink Jet paper for black shirts...if you just have to do it

Quote:
Originally Posted by tudors
@mgparrish so have you tried it inkjet dark with a regular printer? I was going to buy a A3 inkjet and a cutter but I am not sure it's worth it, what do you think? Thanks.
This is what I am currently testing.

http://www.neenah.com/technical/heat...paque%20II.pdf

So far about 13 washes no cracking. Opaques are notorious for cracking so my testing is not complete.

I'm thinking 25 washes and no cracking should be OK, but I'll keep testing up to 40 washes. Hand is not good, but I'll take more hand over cracking any day, there are no opaques with good hand, just some are not as bad as others.

I just got in a Silhouette Cameo but haven't used it to cut any opaque paper yet.

I haven't tested the xpress product ... but looking at the product description looks like would be OK with pigments on either 50/50 poly cotton or 100% cotton.

For sublimation inks usage I would only put on 100% cotton as I have mentioned that dark color 50/50 t-shirts actually have disperse dye, which is sublimation dye.

I'm skeptical that the dye from a 50/50 t-shirt wouldn't discolor the opaque material during pressing, aka dye migration. The un-printed white areas in the design (if there is any open white space in the transfer) would appear off white or gray. Light colors like yellow or pink might look "muddy".

If the Xpres paper is good in terms of not cracking I don't see any advantage of sublimating it, unless all you had was a sublimation printer. Both pigments and sublimation inks on that material should be permanent in terms of washing. The sublimation advantage of no hand and no background "box" is lost on a opaque transfer.

Even if you can't decide on a good opaque paper consider that offering JPSS for white and light colors is a no brainer. Question becomes is there an opaque that you think is OK to sell. So you would still have a good reason to get a cutter and inkjet printer, JPSS rocks.

Starting out I would suggest not buying large quantities of opaque paper, get small sample orders only then test yourself.
October 14th, 2016 11:42 AM
tudors
Re: Best Ink Jet paper for black shirts...if you just have to do it

@mgparrish so have you tried it inkjet dark with a regular printer? I was going to buy a A3 inkjet and a cutter but I am not sure it's worth it, what do you think? Thanks.
October 14th, 2016 06:52 AM
mgparrish
Re: Best Ink Jet paper for black shirts...if you just have to do it

Quote:
Originally Posted by tudors
It was on the advise of Xpres that I try inkjet dark with sublimation inks, but Inkjet Dark defo a no no for sub inks, and actually I was able to peal the transfer off, this was on a 100% cotton gildan, I don't think I will even bother with the forever sublidark? I think I will just wait for a print and cut?
Any mention I have made of Opaque materials I was referring to opaque transfer papers designed for regular inkjet inks.

As you mention there does exist opaque material that is sublimatable. This material was not designed for regular inkjet inks.

Any regular inkjet ink opaque transfer that are sublimatable those could only be used on 100% cotton t-shirts, otherwise using on 50/50 you would get the base color bleeding into the transfer from the manufactured tshirt dye.

Anyway just to clarify on my statement.
October 14th, 2016 04:20 AM
tudors
Re: Best Ink Jet paper for black shirts...if you just have to do it

It was on the advise of Xpres that I try inkjet dark with sublimation inks, but Inkjet Dark defo a no no for sub inks, and actually I was able to peal the transfer off, this was on a 100% cotton gildan, I don't think I will even bother with the forever sublidark? I think I will just wait for a print and cut?
October 12th, 2016 02:41 PM
mgparrish
Re: Best Ink Jet paper for black shirts...if you just have to do it

Quote:
Originally Posted by dR03
Can't use sub ink on inkjet paper, correct?

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Most regular dark (opaque) transfers are made to minimize sublimating effects.

What I mean by that is the the base color from 50/50 t-shirts are actually using a mix of organic dye for the cotton fibers and then also using disperse dye for the poly fibers, which is actually sublimation dye.

So during heat transfer the base color of the dark t-shirt can discolor the white opaque material. The transfer manufacturers deliberately make the material hard to sublimate, but some color can still get though.

This means that the opaque material is a poor sublimation medium. So for this sub inks are not advised.

So most opaque transfer manufacturers suggest only to use 100 % cotton t-shirts for dark transfers. The organic dye won't discolor the white opaque material.

On "light" transfers in most cases you can use sub inks, as the clear polymer is easily sublimated. But pigments work great on these and you lose the sublimation advantage using sub ink with regular "light" inkjet papers.
October 12th, 2016 02:06 PM
dR03
Re: Best Ink Jet paper for black shirts...if you just have to do it

Can't use sub ink on inkjet paper, correct?

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October 9th, 2016 05:25 AM
tudors
Re: Best Ink Jet paper for black shirts...if you just have to do it

It depends how long term you are looking for, the Print and cut method is great if it is a dedicated print and cut, I have yet to see anything that works with regular printers or sublimation that you print then contour cut that comes close to say a Roland BN20 using just one example, DTG is getting there but only a small amount of printers can print anything other than cotton, if it's just lettering get a cheap vinyl cutter, the OKI 711WT gives pretty good results but long term still needs work, but it can print on anything really, rubbish on ceramics though.
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