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August 6th, 2014 05:13 AM
MMARZOLF
Re: Amazing prints using Image Armor

So, we had to redo the order I originally posted about and most were run this time using Anajet's pretreat which worked fine with no issues. We pretreated some with Image Armor Light to do some testing. The good news was that the shirts did not discolor as they did with the Image Armor Dark. The bad news was that white ink looked terrible on it - all dingy and gray. In the pic, the left is the IA Light, the right the Anajet.
August 1st, 2014 09:32 AM
inkdrop
Re: Amazing prints using Image Armor

Thanks for all the tips. I'll do more testing later today and let you guys know how it goes. Thanks again!

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August 1st, 2014 09:00 AM
23spiderman
Re: Amazing prints using Image Armor

i use just regular quillon paper to dry the pretreat. cut it down so that the edges don't extend past your platen and it will last longer. i can easily get 100+ presses out of one sheet by doing this way. i use Kraft paper from Stahls to cure my printed shirts. i get hundreds of presses from these.

i've never had any need to spray water before the pretreat. i use Image Armour straight out of the bottle.
August 1st, 2014 08:28 AM
inkdrop
Re: Amazing prints using Image Armor

Quote:
Originally Posted by 23spiderman
you want heavy pressure when drying the pretreat. hovering should help. what is happening is we are putting a wet shirt on the press and applying immediate heat which is "shocking" the liquid. i'm probably not saying this very effectively, but by hovering, you allow the pretreat to get into the fibers of the shirt and still reach at least 325.

what i do is hover (or if i'm running my conveyor oven, i'll run the shirts through that) until the edges of the pretreat area begin to appear dry, but the middle is still damp. then i do a press for 20 seconds, lift, flip paper, and press for 10 more seconds. that is usually enough, but you could go longer if you needed.

the binders in the pretreat need to reach 325 degrees, but i've found it's better when i don't immediately press the wet shirt with the heat press. the shirt should still print and wash well, but the box should be less noticeable if you hover first.

also, like Harry said, it is possible that you are using too much pretreat as doing that can cause a box on the shirt. in your testing, try backing off until your white underbase suffers, then add a little more.
What kind of paper are you using? And do you spray water before applying the pretreatment? Thanks again.

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August 1st, 2014 08:27 AM
23spiderman
Re: Amazing prints using Image Armor

i also screen print, so that is the main purpose of the oven. i think it's a Harco, and it's over 20 years old. but i've found that when doing larger orders that get pretreated (lights or darks) it's much faster to run them through the oven. i'll either spray 10 at a time and run them through, or i'll get in a rhythm where i'm spraying, putting on oven, spraying, putting on oven, removing from oven, etc. it's faster and MUCH less messy than pressing a wet shirt. if i have a smaller order, i will lay my shirts on my screen press platens and use my flash dryer.

again, i'm not drying the pretreat fully. they are still a little damp when they getting pressed.
August 1st, 2014 08:06 AM
equipmentzone
Re: Amazing prints using Image Armor

Remember too to do wash tests on finished prints when you change any procedure.

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August 1st, 2014 08:05 AM
MZDEELO
Re: Amazing prints using Image Armor

Quote:
Originally Posted by 23spiderman

what i do is hover (or if i'm running my conveyor oven, i'll run the shirts through that) until the edges of the pretreat area begin to appear dry, but the middle is still damp. then i do a press for 20 seconds, lift, flip paper, and press for 10 more seconds. that is usually enough, but you could go longer if you needed.
Hey Sean, What conveyor dryer are you using? Do you use it to dry all your pretreated shirts?
August 1st, 2014 08:00 AM
23spiderman
Re: Amazing prints using Image Armor

you want heavy pressure when drying the pretreat. hovering should help. what is happening is we are putting a wet shirt on the press and applying immediate heat which is "shocking" the liquid. i'm probably not saying this very effectively, but by hovering, you allow the pretreat to get into the fibers of the shirt and still reach at least 325.

what i do is hover (or if i'm running my conveyor oven, i'll run the shirts through that) until the edges of the pretreat area begin to appear dry, but the middle is still damp. then i do a press for 20 seconds, lift, flip paper, and press for 10 more seconds. that is usually enough, but you could go longer if you needed.

the binders in the pretreat need to reach 325 degrees, but i've found it's better when i don't immediately press the wet shirt with the heat press. the shirt should still print and wash well, but the box should be less noticeable if you hover first.

also, like Harry said, it is possible that you are using too much pretreat as doing that can cause a box on the shirt. in your testing, try backing off until your white underbase suffers, then add a little more.
August 1st, 2014 07:12 AM
inkdrop
Re: Amazing prints using Image Armor

Yes, the Wagner control spray. And will do, I'll give it a try later on and let you know how it goes. Thanks! What about hovering, would you recommend doing that first before heat pressing? And would you recommend more or less pressure when heat pressing? I've read older post and it's very contradicting. Thanks again.

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August 1st, 2014 07:02 AM
equipmentzone
Re: Amazing prints using Image Armor

Quote:
Originally Posted by inkdrop
The Wagner sprayer. I do three horizontal passes and row vertical. I use a squeegee as well.

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The Wagner Control Spray?

Try using less pretreat. Think you may be spraying too much on.

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August 1st, 2014 07:00 AM
inkdrop
Re: Amazing prints using Image Armor

*two vertical

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August 1st, 2014 06:59 AM
inkdrop
Re: Amazing prints using Image Armor

The Wagner sprayer. I do three horizontal passes and row vertical. I use a squeegee as well.

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August 1st, 2014 06:55 AM
equipmentzone
Re: Amazing prints using Image Armor

Quote:
Originally Posted by inkdrop
A little late to the post but maybe you guys can still help me out.*
I've been getting good colors prints with IA (so I think, still new at this), but I can't seem to get rid of the "pretreatment box". I've tried spraying mist of distilled water before applying the pretreatment(I've read in another post) and still can't to get rid of it. Do you guys know if adding water or vinegar to the pretreatment will help with this? Washability? I've been applying pretreatment and then heat pressing at 330F for 30 seconds(tried anajet's paper, teflon, and parchment paper when heat pressing). Using Canvas and American apparel, although American apparel isn't as bad with it.*
Pointers anyone? I'll add some pics.*first two are from an American apparel print, and the skull is on a Canvas tee.

Still kinda new at this. Just trying to get it sorted out. P.S. I've tried anywhere from 20g-28g of pretreatment.*
Thanks in advance guys!

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What are you using to spray the pretreatment?

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August 1st, 2014 05:27 AM
inkdrop
Re: Amazing prints using Image Armor

A little late to the post but maybe you guys can still help me out.*
I've been getting good colors prints with IA (so I think, still new at this), but I can't seem to get rid of the "pretreatment box". I've tried spraying mist of distilled water before applying the pretreatment(I've read in another post) and still can't to get rid of it. Do you guys know if adding water or vinegar to the pretreatment will help with this? Washability? I've been applying pretreatment and then heat pressing at 330F for 30 seconds(tried anajet's paper, teflon, and parchment paper when heat pressing). Using Canvas and American apparel, although American apparel isn't as bad with it.*
Pointers anyone? I'll add some pics.*first two are from an American apparel print, and the skull is on a Canvas tee.

Still kinda new at this. Just trying to get it sorted out. P.S. I've tried anywhere from 20g-28g of pretreatment.*
Thanks in advance guys!

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July 25th, 2014 02:04 PM
Lundy
Re: Amazing prints using Image Armor

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