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December 17th, 2013 03:11 PM
bnsparker
Re: Screen printing 2 colors not sharp

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Originally Posted by jimcr
Glad to help . How did you go about drying the waterbased ink?
So far so good but I'm in the process of washing some so we shall see. I used my flash dryer to dry first. I did it several times for probably 3 minutes each time (I let the shirts rest in between the flashes so it wouldn't scorch). Then I put them in the dryer on the high heat setting for 40 minutes. I hope it hold because it was super easy to print and the cleanup was AWESOME!
December 17th, 2013 06:28 AM
jimcr
Re: Screen printing 2 colors not sharp

Glad to help . How did you go about drying the waterbased ink?
December 16th, 2013 10:05 PM
bnsparker
Re: Screen printing 2 colors not sharp

OK, I want to say thank you all for all of the wonderful information and help in this entire ordeal. Paypal refunded my money for everything except the $125 to ship it back to the seller. He has filed an appeal so it could be reversed but right now I'm happy that's hopefully over. Next bit of awesome news is I got my 4/2 silver press and I LOVE it!!! I completed my shirt order and everybody went crazy over them. I also just did some experimenting with the new water based Comet white ink from Ryonet--it was half off on cyber Monday The shirts for CHRISTmas presents look amazing! I printed the white water based ink on red, navy, and pink t-shirts and hoodies and I couldn't be happier with how it turned out. The BEST thing about it though is the clean up (the soft hand is a close second). So far I'm totally digging the water based ink...or at least the Comet white is a winner! Thanks again for everything. It's amazing how less frustrating screen printing is with a decent press. I've got zero complaints with the silver press. The tilt adjustment makes setting perfect off contact (and therefore a nice sharp print) a breeze!
December 4th, 2013 09:28 PM
bobo920
Re: Screen printing 2 colors not sharp

I have had this problem before, and what I learned from this was by flooding the screen I would get what your image looks like, I would have enough ink and give it one good firm pass and it would come out tits!
November 29th, 2013 10:57 PM
bnsparker
Re: Screen printing 2 colors not sharp

Quote:
Originally Posted by sben763
I flash cured. Then threw in dryer and then re flash cured. Did you get the flash dryer with your silver press or do you have other. If you try to flash long enough to drive out all the water with the flash you will scorch the shirt. I don't have a temp control on any of my flash dryer either but I am considering adding one on the new 240v 18x24 flash I Just bought. I just would flash at 6-8" and use a infrared thermometer and check just as I was removing from flash. Don't cure on your platens. I made a curing station with ceramic tiles. I made a carousel with 4 stations. I would quickly flash the stack and my wife would cure. I go a conveyor 4 years ago or so and she hasn't helped in the shop since!!!!!
Yes, I got the flash dryer in the kit from Ryonet. I made a curing station last week with ceramic tiles so I've got that covered. I also recently bought an IR thermometer to check my temps. That's cool about using a clothes dryer to dry out the water--and I'm glad you told me to limit IR curing so I won't scorch the shirts. Seriously, I'm sure I would've done exactly that!
November 29th, 2013 07:46 PM
sben763
Re: Screen printing 2 colors not sharp

I flash cured. Then threw in dryer and then re flash cured. Did you get the flash dryer with your silver press or do you have other. If you try to flash long enough to drive out all the water with the flash you will scorch the shirt. I don't have a temp control on any of my flash dryer either but I am considering adding one on the new 240v 18x24 flash I Just bought. I just would flash at 6-8" and use a infrared thermometer and check just as I was removing from flash. Don't cure on your platens. I made a curing station with ceramic tiles. I made a carousel with 4 stations. I would quickly flash the stack and my wife would cure. I go a conveyor 4 years ago or so and she hasn't helped in the shop since!!!!!
November 29th, 2013 07:11 PM
bnsparker
Re: Screen printing 2 colors not sharp

Quote:
Originally Posted by sben763
The water base will require higher mesh as its much thinner ink. You have to flood in between prints or the water base dries in the screen. Also a retarder is recommended and almost required in multi color jobs or ink dries in the screen even with flooding.

When drying with a flash dryer I would heat it up to 335 then throw in the dryer and the re flash. Its a pain but if all the water isn't out when its fully cure they will still wash out or fade badly. I have a conveyor with forced air now and still send my water base through twice.

I like water base cause there is almost no hand to it but when its requested I charge way more to do it so most stay with plastisol.


Congrats on the win. If you have any issues with the silver press. I had a 6/2 3-4 years ago and know them well.
Thanks! I actually went with the 4/2 instead of a 4/1 this time. I only have a simple flash dryer though (not a forced air flash and not a conveyor). When you said throw in the dryer, are you talking about a regular clothes dryer after I flash/cure it? Also my flash doesn't have a way to adjust the temp.
November 29th, 2013 06:07 PM
jimcr
Re: Screen printing 2 colors not sharp

Quote:
Originally Posted by bnsparker
Will do! Thanks!
Glad to hear that! I am sure you will be happy with the silver press. I just upgraded mine to a 4/2 now I just need a job to put on it.
Good luck with the water base.
November 29th, 2013 04:20 PM
sben763
Re: Screen printing 2 colors not sharp

The water base will require higher mesh as its much thinner ink. You have to flood in between prints or the water base dries in the screen. Also a retarder is recommended and almost required in multi color jobs or ink dries in the screen even with flooding.

When drying with a flash dryer I would heat it up to 335 then throw in the dryer and the re flash. Its a pain but if all the water isn't out when its fully cure they will still wash out or fade badly. I have a conveyor with forced air now and still send my water base through twice.

I like water base cause there is almost no hand to it but when its requested I charge way more to do it so most stay with plastisol.


Congrats on the win. If you have any issues with the silver press. I had a 6/2 3-4 years ago and know them well.
November 29th, 2013 04:12 PM
bnsparker
Re: Screen printing 2 colors not sharp

Quote:
Originally Posted by jimcr
Stephanie just keep us posted on how this turns out,
I've got some fantastic news! Paypal ruled in my favor so I get to return the press package. YEA!!! I do have to pay for return shipping which I'm sure is a lot, but I'm still happy to get most of my money back. I ordered the Ryonet Silver Press package, so I'm excited to start again. I changed the ink package to water based (I don't really know why because I know nothing about it) so I'm going to buy some white and black plastisol (I already bought red and blue) and try to print my shirts again. Hopefully, this will go a lot smoother this time and I won't want to take a sledgehammer to the press.
November 24th, 2013 09:37 AM
bnsparker
Re: Screen printing 2 colors not sharp

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Originally Posted by jimcr
Stephanie just keep us posted on how this turns out,
Will do! Thanks!
November 24th, 2013 07:11 AM
jimcr
Re: Screen printing 2 colors not sharp

Stephanie just keep us posted on how this turns out,
November 24th, 2013 06:42 AM
sben763
Re: Screen printing 2 colors not sharp

You will get resolve. 99% of the time. I think I have had an eBay account since 2001 and have had about 10 disputes. Most of them were easy due to no receipt or broken. All but 1 were won and money refunded and complain about the shipping back. They will give you a credit to ship it back. The one that wasn't won I can't remember why they sided with other but it was a low dollar item and wasn't a big deal. The next day eBay sent me a $100 certificate. I have spent a lot of money though them as well as pay pal. Can't speak for the UK policies on credit but most cards, credit programs in the US have a 45 day limit. There are some exceptions as some card give extra time on their own and some as long as 180 day but most will be 90 days.
November 24th, 2013 06:14 AM
bnsparker
Re: Screen printing 2 colors not sharp

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Originally Posted by debbbbsy
My freind had the same problem with paypal for tickets she bought on ebay.

The guy kept promising to send the tickets, than after 45 days he refused to answer her emails. Paypal and ebay refused to get involved.

But she did get her money back because she credited the paypal account using her credit card. The credit card company simply takes the money back off Paypal regardless of the time scale.

When paying for anything, even if you only pay a small amount by credit card and the rest by other means, the whole transaction is covered.

How did you credit the paypal account ?

In the UK even debit card transactions come with some sort of security.

Debbie
I used Paypal Buyer Credit which is like a credit account through Paypal. If I don't get resolution this way, I'll see about the company that backs Paypal Buyer Credit (I think it's GE Capital or something like that.) Thank you!
November 24th, 2013 04:54 AM
debbbbsy
Re: Screen printing 2 colors not sharp

My freind had the same problem with paypal for tickets she bought on ebay.

The guy kept promising to send the tickets, than after 45 days he refused to answer her emails. Paypal and ebay refused to get involved.

But she did get her money back because she credited the paypal account using her credit card. The credit card company simply takes the money back off Paypal regardless of the time scale.

When paying for anything, even if you only pay a small amount by credit card and the rest by other means, the whole transaction is covered.

How did you credit the paypal account ?

In the UK even debit card transactions come with some sort of security.

Debbie
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