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December 19th, 2012 12:39 PM
johnnyb57
Re: What to do with clogged nozzles

Well I agree 100% it should do it.. Funny how knowledge/experience don't equate, trial and error I'm seeing as the real answer... but if something as basic as this can help over the hump so be it...Attachment 34626

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December 19th, 2012 11:54 AM
Stitch-Up
Re: What to do with clogged nozzles

Quote:
Originally Posted by 23spiderman
i've sprayed in an open room for over 4 years with no problems or issues. yes there is overspray, and yes it cleans up.
Ditto - I do exactly the same
December 19th, 2012 11:45 AM
jmcgurren
Re: What to do with clogged nozzles

I actually have not even really fully begun operations, haha. I am pretty much stuck in testing mode. To be honest I want to figure out the Viper and then get the business going again. I do not even care to take any jobs and try to start pretreating by hand while trying to still figure out what is going on here. I guess I am just so determined/frustrated with what is happening at this point that I just need to figure it out and do not want to print for customers unless I can do it the way I envision running my business which is with the Viper.
December 19th, 2012 11:36 AM
23spiderman
Re: What to do with clogged nozzles

ahhh, completely understand!

it seems as there should be "standards" for the Viper One. if others are having success, then you should be able to duplicate that. if we each printed the same art, on the same white shirt, with the same settings, our 2 shirts would be nearly identical. the same, within reason, should hold true for the Viper, in my opinion.

would you be able to get a shower curtain, and create a spray booth that would capture the over spray of the Wagner? this way you could continue operations while getting your Viper up and running.
December 19th, 2012 11:26 AM
jmcgurren
Re: What to do with clogged nozzles

Yea my fiance is not going to go for the spraying openly in our apartment. Clean up or not. I do not own the house I live in, Just rent the lower level. I understand the expense issue with the Viper for you Sean. I got lucky and hit a special AA was running when I bought my printer. If I own this Viper One machine already I think I should be able to use it .. bottom line is I need to figure this out.
December 19th, 2012 10:57 AM
23spiderman
Re: What to do with clogged nozzles

i've sprayed in an open room for over 4 years with no problems or issues. yes there is overspray, and yes it cleans up. i don't have the extra space either, but i also don't have the money for the Viper. i screen print, digitally print, pretreat, and use a vinyl cutter all out of my detached 2-car garage. that's not saying i wouldn't do it differently if i had the opportunity, but it hasn't been a problem for me yet.
December 19th, 2012 10:36 AM
jmcgurren
Re: What to do with clogged nozzles

For most everyone else it seems the Viper does take the mystery out of it and works great. Don't base my experience on what the machine can do because I am really assuming that something is just wrong here and it can be figured out. I will keep you updated on that. I will ask Kevin about his method. What I am saying is that if it is spraying pretreat out in the open air inside, I cannot do it. That stuff is nasty and I don't have a space available for the fumes or overspray.
December 19th, 2012 09:55 AM
johnnyb57
Re: What to do with clogged nozzles

Forgot to say I'm headed out the door to the shop latter I'll post a picture of this thing so you get a better understanding of what I'm talking about, really thinking this is the way and you can keep those wagner junk things...
December 19th, 2012 09:48 AM
johnnyb57
Re: What to do with clogged nozzles

Actually you can use this thing in your house which is what your going to do, no.. it holds a quart of fluid with a hand pump not messy at all.. No kevin did a white and a black tee for me. The only question that I need to address is the pretreat outside of the print don't want to wash every garment before giving to a customer nevermind telling them that it will go away after the first wash.. it would be nice if you could have them buy it back off of you, cause when I first heard of it I thought that would take the mystry out of it, instead of adding to the curve.. what kevin used was a spray bottle like the zep one found at home depot, and I know I live like 50- 60 mi. from you
December 19th, 2012 08:54 AM
jmcgurren
Re: What to do with clogged nozzles

Kevin must have been using a spray bottle for light shirts, right? I do this for light garment pretreating. I don't think it would work very well for darks. No, what I am saying is that there is an adjustment knob for the pretreat that basically makes the nozzle travel faster and slower. The more turns you do, the faster it travels, hence the less spray that hits the shirt. My problem is that I have jacked the thing up to the maximum possible turns (14) to make it move as fast as possible, and on the brands of shirts that I have found to be the best quality, which is what I want to use (I will not settle for anything less), there is still too much pretreat! No one else I have spoke to is having this problem with the same brands of shirts so it is making me insane trying to think of why I am, especially when I replaced the Viper itself and just about every damn part that runs it.
December 19th, 2012 08:48 AM
jmcgurren
Re: What to do with clogged nozzles

I agree John and in fact I have a wagner and I know it would be a quick fix to my problem. The issue I have is that I currently do not have any space at all to pretreat shirts. My garage is always full and I live in a basement apartment where I work out of and there is no space to do any messy spraying. It is now winter here in Boston so doing it outside is not going to work for me. I have used a wagner and at this point I have pretreated probably over 500 shirts (with the Viper) that mostly have been testing, so I feel like I am fairly familiar with what is correct and incorrect with the process. I also feel that if I own a fairly expensive machine that is and easy (when it comes to just loading/pressing the button) and clean process, I should be able to use it!
December 19th, 2012 08:41 AM
johnnyb57
Re: What to do with clogged nozzles

Thanx, when kevin @ the graphic jam gave me a demo he used a spray bottle ( which seemed to get the job done). I know around here we use a pump style bottle for body wash (autobody stuff that is) like the larger garden sprayers, I know autobody suppliers carry them.. The nice thing about them is you can adjust the spray pattern or the amount of fluid, might be a good option, thats the way I am planing.. On the viper you mean to tell me you can't adjust the amount of fluid, I thought there was a spray gun in there..
December 19th, 2012 08:29 AM
23spiderman
Re: What to do with clogged nozzles

great looking canvas prints! this is something i've wanted to do, but just haven't jumped into yet.

i still use the Wagner gun myself. it's not perfect, but it's what i know and it seems to work just fine. and i agree with NeoUncle that everyone should learn how to manually pretreat before using an auto-pretreat machine. the pretreat machines should enhance our business; not hinder it.
December 19th, 2012 08:09 AM
Stitch-Up
Re: What to do with clogged nozzles

Great post Jeff, made good reading.

Whilst I like the pre-treat machines and the ViperONE, I still feel it's important to master the art of manually pre-treating shirts with good ole spray gun. If nothing else, it keeps you in business when the treating machine decides to throw a wobbly and allows you to print oversized areas the machine can't do.
December 19th, 2012 07:36 AM
jmcgurren
Re: What to do with clogged nozzles

Hi Johnny, I think the machine has proved itself with all the contests it has won and everything. I just think there is a big learning curve to DTG printing in general. I feel at this point like I have come pretty close to understanding most of what needs to be done to make it work for me, but at the same time I have hit a few bumps in the road - some of which may be my fault. The problem I was having the other day with whites clogged might be because I stripped a screw in the print head and air was getting in, and the fact that my cyan is slightly blocked (like I stated here) could be due to the fact that I have really not printed much lately. I do print a shirt every day but I have another full time job editing a TV show so I am not running the machine enough. I think if you are running it every week with production runs and once you have conquered the whole pretreat thing, I am sure it can be a great business. As far as the Neoflex itself, I do think it is the winner for DTG printing (aside from maybe some of the large, expensive, industrial grade printers). Aside from these couple of clog issues or whatever, I am having some pretreat problems that are stemming from my Viper One/pretreatment process, not the printer. The Viper One is working well for everyone else I have talked to but I have literally had it replaced and I have replaced every component powering it including my air compressor, tanks, lines, everything. Somehow, I still have something going on with it spraying too much pretreat on most brands of tees that are good quality ringspun tees (Next Level, Keya, some batches Hanes nanos). Hoodies and t-shirts that are not as high quality I have already mastered the pretreat and I am getting great prints and wash results. This is how I know my curing settings are not causing my issue - pretreat amount is. I know what I need to do with the brands that I am struggling with, that is lay down less pretreat. The problem is, I am running the Viper at the fastest spray speed (hence the least amount of spray that hits the shirt) and I am still getting way too much pretreat laid down. I can visibly see it is too much and it is sticking badly to the sheet during heat pressing. I am working with AA tech support now to solve the issue because since Brian Walker at Viper has replaced my machine I think he did his part. AA tech support is the best I have come in contact with and they are willing to do what it takes to fix the problem once you voice it to them. I have spent a few months trying to solve this myself until every part was replaced for pretreatment and now I am out of answers so I have turned to them for help. The appalling thing is how getting all new parts and pretreat machine still did not fix the problems I am having! I know once I figure out what is causing it, I am in business. It is a long road at the beginning with these machines to get to a point where you know you are confident enough to sell the amazing services it is capable of. One other thing that has kept me going while I try to figure out the clothing issues is canvas prints. You can do great prints on canvas and sell them for a good profit - better than t-shirts. Sorry for the long rant but I just wanted to give you an honest response to my experience thus far. Some people hit more bumps in the road than others. For you, the process of mastering this could be more like a month... who knows?

Just to give you an idea on the canvas prints here is what I am kicking out for the holidays.... And these are done with the Textile Neoflex head, not the solvent...
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