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August 15th, 2012 06:34 AM
allamerican-aeoon
Re: Neoflex One Hour Production Cycle - Nonstop Printing

What is this? Canadian play ground? Which is we do not mind. I hope other countries will hop in too. So far, Canada and UK are very active. Happy about it. I just was in Montreal and it was hot and humid. My AC was running whole time. Maybe northen part is not but Ottawa and Quebec cities are not cooler. I enjoyed my visit but that French words make me lost few times. When my navi say some and trying to understand point I already passed exit. But was fun to meet NeoFamily. I know I have to upload pictures. No different than USA but language. Lol. Good beers too.
Sorry I missed you Ben.
Cheers! Beers are on me always.
August 15th, 2012 05:31 AM
Nymex
Re: Neoflex One Hour Production Cycle - Nonstop Printing

Quote:
Originally Posted by stevegamble
LOL.. joke right? in Canada we don't live in igloo's.
Last 60 days we have over 100F everyday, lawns are brown and many are dead from LONG heat waves, with HIGH humidity.
People come from Texas to visit and say it feels a LOT Hotter here in June.
We have 110F with HIGH humidity in summer and -40 in winter.
A/C cost $$ all summer and Heating cost $$ all winter.
Expensive place to live with energy bills.

Room gets too hot and our computers shut down, can hardly breath in here with AC full. just too humid.

We go the same problem also in Canada. Our print room is away from the heatpress room. But we have a AC for hot day, propane gas heater for cool day, humidifier and dehumidifier!
August 14th, 2012 07:02 PM
stevegamble
Re: Neoflex One Hour Production Cycle - Nonstop Printing

Quote:
Originally Posted by VTG
Steve, I would have thought that being in Canada would be a dream with respect to room comfort ... seems like you'd hardly need any AC in the summer (compared to other places down south) ... and the heat presses would actually warm the room up a bit in the winter (when you actually do need some heat).

Even with two NeoFlex printers, you could probably get by with two heat presses ... three presses should be more than enough to keep production flowing smoothly.

LOL.. joke right? in Canada we don't live in igloo's.
Last 60 days we have over 100F everyday, lawns are brown and many are dead from LONG heat waves, with HIGH humidity.
People come from Texas to visit and say it feels a LOT Hotter here in June.
We have 110F with HIGH humidity in summer and -40 in winter.
A/C cost $$ all summer and Heating cost $$ all winter.
Expensive place to live with energy bills.

Room gets too hot and our computers shut down, can hardly breath in here with AC full. just too humid.
August 14th, 2012 06:57 PM
stevegamble
Re: Neoflex One Hour Production Cycle - Nonstop Printing

Awesome news.. hope that works out well.

90% of customers pick the kornit shirt BECAUSE of non flat heat press feel.
I actually agree'd with them after.

Depends on customer and possibly artwork type?
Most all have heat press for pre treat already and many have two presses, one at Heavy pressure during production and one at light pressure.. and a work flow.

then I see Justin had 2 Neoflex and in smaller prints I could see himm benefiting from quicker curing or muliti drawer, especially if the drawers are auto off after timed cure, and bent to outside = more comfort in room like he uses.
Not a concern in the warehouse 20 foot ceiling type environment, but in the office type work space.
Anyway.. Sahara I believe will change things in the future of dtg.
August 14th, 2012 06:54 PM
VTG
Re: Neoflex One Hour Production Cycle - Nonstop Printing

Quote:
Originally Posted by stevegamble
Most look at printer prodution, I am looking at curing production. Room comfort etc..
Steve, I would have thought that being in Canada would be a dream with respect to room comfort ... seems like you'd hardly need any AC in the summer (compared to other places down south) ... and the heat presses would actually warm the room up a bit in the winter (when you actually do need some heat).

Even with two NeoFlex printers, you could probably get by with two heat presses ... three presses should be more than enough to keep production flowing smoothly.
August 14th, 2012 06:48 PM
allamerican-aeoon
Re: Neoflex One Hour Production Cycle - Nonstop Printing

Sahara 6 Drawers has been fired up for 2 days 10hr/day. So far so good I am not saying this to targeting Steve. Multi printer owner's good choice is this concept. Over kill to one printer owner. Space, heat up place, Generous on timing little late will not hurt, never scorch, screen print look(I don't know it is good or bad but I like what we are doing now with heat transfer leave little space between, some do not like but well I like coke someone like Pepsi). It took AA more than year to make this unit. Two failures happened. Start all over again and again. First test unit cost R&D was tons. I could buy doz of them by list price. lol. You still need heat press for pretreat.
Cheers! Beers are on me at Long Beach. Come to see me please.
Anyway we will start to bring this unit to the shows soon. If test results meets AA standard.
August 14th, 2012 06:29 PM
stevegamble
Re: Neoflex One Hour Production Cycle - Nonstop Printing

I gotta say this one hour production was nice and was encouraging as it looked to be smooth flow of production, with me concerned with curing, an the curing press out of the camera.. just my luck.

As I get busier I could buy 2 neo's, but multiple presses tossing heat in my room..dries out the room too,, then I crank up the A/C , and that dries out air too, then add a humidifier..arg..
ok.
Gotta consider inks that cure easier in a sealed cabinet, vented outside,
But, their is not much feedback on people doing this.

Hix verticure , Lawsons digi dri box @120V, AA Sahara 6, what kind of production would they offer in combo with dupont inks.?

Most look at printer prodution, I am looking at curing production. Room comfort etc..
August 14th, 2012 06:18 PM
allamerican-aeoon
Re: Neoflex One Hour Production Cycle - Nonstop Printing

Think about you are the artist who draw burning guitar. Easy way to find the answer to yourself. Do I want to sell NeoFlex to you? Not despertly but your call not mine. I was once though, lol.
Cheers! Beers are on me always.
August 14th, 2012 05:43 PM
stevegamble
Re: Neoflex One Hour Production Cycle - Nonstop Printing



Which print do you choose as being impressive, or both is fine too.
August 14th, 2012 12:22 PM
stevegamble
Re: Neoflex One Hour Production Cycle - Nonstop Printing

I agree one way is the easy road to moderate.
A good description, but if we have newbies operating in a retail store.
I won't always have the luxury of a skilled DTG technician prnting for profit.

Artist vs guy who paints houses.?
Both can make a dollar and can feel good about their perspective jobs.
Obviosly the successful artist will Feel the Fame a little more..;>)
August 14th, 2012 12:11 PM
Justin Walker
Re: Neoflex One Hour Production Cycle - Nonstop Printing

Quote:
Originally Posted by stevegamble
At the price of pretreat, I would think(hope) it would be a pretty accuratley controlled mix. ?
That plin sucks if it isn't ?

Now we'll all (some of us)search for the best pretreat in terms of consistant, quaity control.

Of course I am still torn between Epson / Dupont marriage vs Brother / Brother marriage.
simplicity, speed, easy conveyor cure.. vs.. Flat out Better prints.
the beat goes on...
While I agree that consistency is definitely important, I'll take my phenomenal prints with a little bit of subjective skill applied to the process, versus being consistently moderate "out of the box", any day of the week. But to each their own!
August 14th, 2012 12:00 PM
stevegamble
Re: Neoflex One Hour Production Cycle - Nonstop Printing

At the price of pretreat, I would think(hope) it would be a pretty accuratley controlled mix. ?
That plin sucks if it isn't ?

Now we'll all (some of us)search for the best pretreat in terms of consistant, quaity control.

Of course I am still torn between Epson / Dupont marriage vs Brother / Brother marriage.
simplicity, speed, easy conveyor cure.. vs.. Flat out Better prints.
the beat goes on...
August 14th, 2012 11:48 AM
Justin Walker
Re: Neoflex One Hour Production Cycle - Nonstop Printing

Quote:
Originally Posted by VTG
Justin,

2 quick questions:

1) What brand of PT are you referencing ... AA NeoTex PT?

2) 5 turns of the ViperOne seems so low ... are you laying the PT down once (1x) or twice (2x) on the same shirt?

Just curious.
1. We are using the AA NeoTex PT (Dupont brand pretreat fluid) - we do not dilute for black / dark garments.

2. 5 turns of the ViperONE is indeed very low - this setting does not work with MOST brands of garments out there, but the PHA451 tees that we use do not require much pretreatment to achieve the best possible print results (they are designed this way - we save a lot of PT on these shirts). We are only using ONE spray at that setting! However, as mentioned, that is just about the limit for a single spray on a dark garment - even with the awesome shirts we use, we still had to raise the level to 4.5 due to the different batch of PT we received.

As a point of comparison, I believe we use 4 turns and TWO sprays on most standard cotton shirts (Anvil 979 / Gildan 2000 / Hanes 5250).
August 14th, 2012 11:42 AM
Justin Walker
Re: Neoflex One Hour Production Cycle - Nonstop Printing

Quote:
Originally Posted by klwalsh611
Justin - I'm a newbie (just got my neoflex and viper one from AA last week) and I'd like to ask for a little detail on your comment (we needed to make a half-turn adjustment... to get great results) - what prompted you to make an adjustment and was it more or less pretreat? I'm trying to learn to diagnose a problem based upon symptoms to make the appropriate correction without having to go thru the trials and tribulations myself since pioneers such as yourself have already paved the way...(in other words, I'm a Cliff Notes kinda gal!) TIA!
If I recall correctly, the more times you turn the dial the LESS pretreatment you are applying to the garment...... We adjusted from 5 turns to 4.5 turns when we received the new batch of PT fluid (this means we slightly increased the amount of fluid we were spraying) after noticing that the print just didn't look solid enough on the shirt. If the white ink is splotchy or patchy, that generally indicates the need for slightly more PT fluid.
August 14th, 2012 11:08 AM
VTG
Re: Neoflex One Hour Production Cycle - Nonstop Printing

Quote:
Originally Posted by Justin Walker
EXAMPLE: We received two new containers of PT last week - we had been in the middle of a long production run for quite some time, using our PHA451 ring spun shirts (which typically use 5 turns of the ViperONE to get great results). After loading the machine with the new batch of PT we received, we needed to make a half-turn adjustment to the ViperONE to achieve the same results we had been getting.
Justin,

2 quick questions:

1) What brand of PT are you referencing ... AA NeoTex PT?

2) 5 turns of the ViperOne seems so low ... are you laying the PT down once (1x) or twice (2x) on the same shirt?

Just curious.
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