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January 13th, 2012 05:57 AM
BloodBoughtChad
Re: Is it ok for print on shirt to be see through when held up to lgiht?

Quote:
Originally Posted by cd1180
I'm new to screen printing and I'm printing a two color red and black design. I'm using 230 yellow mesh for each color(I want a softer feel to the shirts). My question is sometimes after I do a print I hold it up in the light and parts of the image are slightly see through(other parts of the image block out the light completely). When the shirt is not in front of a direct bright light or still on the platen the print looks perfect.

My question is what is causing this to occur and how can it be corrected? Also is it ok for it to look like that or is that a bad print and should it not be sold? Also Will it affect quality & durability of the shirt?

This issue and these question may have a pretty obvious answers, but I've only been screen printing for about 2 wks and I'm just trying to learn.

Thank you for all your help,
I think this is totally normal.
December 22nd, 2011 03:19 PM
gerryppg
Re: Is it ok for print on shirt to be see through when held up to lgiht?

If the colors are not touching in the artwork you could get away with out flashing if you are on a light colored shirt. There are some variables to contend with when printing wet on wet though like printing light to dark or small to big. Some inks are better at printing wet on wet as well.
December 22nd, 2011 03:11 PM
cd1180
Re: Is it ok for print on shirt to be see through when held up to lgiht?

I'm working on 2 color prints red and black right now. I think with the push stroke in my arsenal now I may even go back and attempt the white ink on black shirts again soon(maybe lol)
December 22nd, 2011 02:51 PM
gerryppg
Re: Is it ok for print on shirt to be see through when held up to lgiht?

Keep us posted if you have any more questions. Oh when you say PFP you dont have to do that with a 1 color print unless you are doing white ink on darks.
December 22nd, 2011 02:41 PM
cd1180
Re: Is it ok for print on shirt to be see through when held up to lgiht?

Quote:
Originally Posted by mimic
haha, i did the same thing.
lol glad I'm not alone

So I just have to say the REAL push stroke is fantastic with a capital F! I'm still learning, but my prints are coming out sooo much better today with the use of the push stroke. I have had a few complete solid images with just P/F/P . My confidence is starting to grow and I'm feeling good about the quality of shirts I'm producing!

Thank you guys for pointing me in this direction!
December 22nd, 2011 12:47 PM
mimic
Re: Is it ok for print on shirt to be see through when held up to lgiht?

haha, i did the same thing.
December 22nd, 2011 11:41 AM
cd1180
Re: Is it ok for print on shirt to be see through when held up to lgiht?

I'm looking forward to giving it a try today. I thought I had actually attempted a push stroke once(and absolutely hated it), but after learning what a push stroke really is I realized what I attempted was more like a reverse pull stroke lol
December 22nd, 2011 08:24 AM
mimic
Re: Is it ok for print on shirt to be see through when held up to lgiht?

Quote:
Originally Posted by gerryppg
I do the push stroke about 95% of the time, the only time I dont do it is if I am doing a small left chest and then I pull one handed. The push stroke really saves time to. With a pull stroke you:
1)flood the image area toward you
2)move squeegee back away from you
3)Print toward you
4)Put squeegee back

Push stroke:
1)Flood the image area toward you
2)Print away from you and you are done.

I do the same technique, works well for me.
December 22nd, 2011 08:17 AM
gerryppg
Re: Is it ok for print on shirt to be see through when held up to lgiht?

I do the push stroke about 95% of the time, the only time I dont do it is if I am doing a small left chest and then I pull one handed. The push stroke really saves time to. With a pull stroke you:
1)flood the image area toward you
2)move squeegee back away from you
3)Print toward you
4)Put squeegee back

Push stroke:
1)Flood the image area toward you
2)Print away from you and you are done.
December 22nd, 2011 07:34 AM
ScreenFoo
Re: Is it ok for print on shirt to be see through when held up to lgiht?

Quote:
Originally Posted by sben763
I will agree 1 stroke is the best method all around. But I am going to guess Gerry and Tyson have been printing for awhile and have good equipment. Keep in mind when giving and receiving advise that not everyone is capable of a one stoke print especially printing for 2weeks. It took me at least a year to get a quality print that pleased me in one stroke but I am picky and that was mostly the lighter inks the darker inks were easy.
Several things I found that really help archive this goal. 1 roller frames at high tension. 2 some of the ergo sqeegee's with triple durometer blades 70/90/70 especially for 1 hit white. Instead of doing a 1/1 coat of emulsion I do a 1/2 wet coats 1 on shirt side and 2 on sqeegee side. This I know is wrong but when I did 2/1 I had problems. Then redial my exposure time and started using a cheap pressure washer to wash out image. Worked well with the thicker stencils.
You are absolutely right--I should clarify that I'm not advocating one stroke light ink on darks to anyone who isn't bored with what they're doing.

I don't know if Gerry does that kind of stuff on a regular basis, but if you do--props.
December 21st, 2011 08:27 PM
cd1180
Re: Is it ok for print on shirt to be see through when held up to lgiht?

I'm sure my pull squeegee technique is pretty horrible too and that's prob whats contributing to a lot of my troubles.
December 21st, 2011 08:16 PM
mimic
Re: Is it ok for print on shirt to be see through when held up to lgiht?

yes, i had trouble clearing the screen with the pull stroke, but i was using a really bad technique on the pull stroke as well. My squeegee was bending so I did not get a nice angle with the edge and screen. Lots of people use the pull stroke and get good results.

Oh, you guys noticed the tape too? I am so messy I would be afraid of getting a bunch of hard to get ink stuck in the edge.
December 21st, 2011 08:04 PM
gerryppg
Re: Is it ok for print on shirt to be see through when held up to lgiht?

I have recently started to tape on the shirt side as well.Its just easier and faster to me. Sometimes I dont tape at all if the image is small
December 21st, 2011 07:55 PM
cd1180
Re: Is it ok for print on shirt to be see through when held up to lgiht?

So you started with a pull stroke and had the problems I'm having with ink being left in the screen and prints being partially see through and then switched to the push stroke and it fixed it?

Also I noticed the guy from catspit tapes his screens on the shirt side, I was taught to do it on the squeegee side. Which do you use? Is one better than the other? To me taping on the shirt side looks much easier and like a better idea than what I'm currently doing.
December 21st, 2011 07:48 PM
mimic
Re: Is it ok for print on shirt to be see through when held up to lgiht?

Quote:
Originally Posted by cd1180
Thanks for the video, yeah I been watching a lot of the videos form catspit, hadn't seen that one yet. Might have to try the push stroke out tomorrow and see if it works better for me. I didn't even know how to properly do the push stroke, so I was only focused on the pull. Now I can actually give it a try.

I'm starting to think that the cause to my original question/concern in the first post(about parts of the image being see thorough) is probably a result of not all the ink clearing the screen on the first stroke and so all the other strokes just add ink on top of ink but the section that was lighter after the first stroke is still left with less ink and thus that part of the image is see through(does that sound right?)

I had that issue, when I started using the push stroke I was clearing all the ink out of my screens. Sometimes doing a dry stroke for good measure.
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