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Old December 19th, 2012 Dec 19, 2012 8:29:05 AM -   #106 (permalink)
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Default Re: What to do with clogged nozzles

great looking canvas prints! this is something i've wanted to do, but just haven't jumped into yet.

i still use the Wagner gun myself. it's not perfect, but it's what i know and it seems to work just fine. and i agree with NeoUncle that everyone should learn how to manually pretreat before using an auto-pretreat machine. the pretreat machines should enhance our business; not hinder it.
 
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Old December 19th, 2012 Dec 19, 2012 8:41:33 AM -   #107 (permalink)
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Default Re: What to do with clogged nozzles

Thanx, when kevin @ the graphic jam gave me a demo he used a spray bottle ( which seemed to get the job done). I know around here we use a pump style bottle for body wash (autobody stuff that is) like the larger garden sprayers, I know autobody suppliers carry them.. The nice thing about them is you can adjust the spray pattern or the amount of fluid, might be a good option, thats the way I am planing.. On the viper you mean to tell me you can't adjust the amount of fluid, I thought there was a spray gun in there..
 
Old December 19th, 2012 Dec 19, 2012 8:48:50 AM -   #108 (permalink)
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Default Re: What to do with clogged nozzles

I agree John and in fact I have a wagner and I know it would be a quick fix to my problem. The issue I have is that I currently do not have any space at all to pretreat shirts. My garage is always full and I live in a basement apartment where I work out of and there is no space to do any messy spraying. It is now winter here in Boston so doing it outside is not going to work for me. I have used a wagner and at this point I have pretreated probably over 500 shirts (with the Viper) that mostly have been testing, so I feel like I am fairly familiar with what is correct and incorrect with the process. I also feel that if I own a fairly expensive machine that is and easy (when it comes to just loading/pressing the button) and clean process, I should be able to use it!
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Default Re: What to do with clogged nozzles

Kevin must have been using a spray bottle for light shirts, right? I do this for light garment pretreating. I don't think it would work very well for darks. No, what I am saying is that there is an adjustment knob for the pretreat that basically makes the nozzle travel faster and slower. The more turns you do, the faster it travels, hence the less spray that hits the shirt. My problem is that I have jacked the thing up to the maximum possible turns (14) to make it move as fast as possible, and on the brands of shirts that I have found to be the best quality, which is what I want to use (I will not settle for anything less), there is still too much pretreat! No one else I have spoke to is having this problem with the same brands of shirts so it is making me insane trying to think of why I am, especially when I replaced the Viper itself and just about every damn part that runs it.
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Default Re: What to do with clogged nozzles

Actually you can use this thing in your house which is what your going to do, no.. it holds a quart of fluid with a hand pump not messy at all.. No kevin did a white and a black tee for me. The only question that I need to address is the pretreat outside of the print don't want to wash every garment before giving to a customer nevermind telling them that it will go away after the first wash.. it would be nice if you could have them buy it back off of you, cause when I first heard of it I thought that would take the mystry out of it, instead of adding to the curve.. what kevin used was a spray bottle like the zep one found at home depot, and I know I live like 50- 60 mi. from you
 
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Default Re: What to do with clogged nozzles

Forgot to say I'm headed out the door to the shop latter I'll post a picture of this thing so you get a better understanding of what I'm talking about, really thinking this is the way and you can keep those wagner junk things...
 
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Default Re: What to do with clogged nozzles

For most everyone else it seems the Viper does take the mystery out of it and works great. Don't base my experience on what the machine can do because I am really assuming that something is just wrong here and it can be figured out. I will keep you updated on that. I will ask Kevin about his method. What I am saying is that if it is spraying pretreat out in the open air inside, I cannot do it. That stuff is nasty and I don't have a space available for the fumes or overspray.
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Default Re: What to do with clogged nozzles

i've sprayed in an open room for over 4 years with no problems or issues. yes there is overspray, and yes it cleans up. i don't have the extra space either, but i also don't have the money for the Viper. i screen print, digitally print, pretreat, and use a vinyl cutter all out of my detached 2-car garage. that's not saying i wouldn't do it differently if i had the opportunity, but it hasn't been a problem for me yet.
 
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Default Re: What to do with clogged nozzles

Yea my fiance is not going to go for the spraying openly in our apartment. Clean up or not. I do not own the house I live in, Just rent the lower level. I understand the expense issue with the Viper for you Sean. I got lucky and hit a special AA was running when I bought my printer. If I own this Viper One machine already I think I should be able to use it .. bottom line is I need to figure this out.
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Default Re: What to do with clogged nozzles

ahhh, completely understand!

it seems as there should be "standards" for the Viper One. if others are having success, then you should be able to duplicate that. if we each printed the same art, on the same white shirt, with the same settings, our 2 shirts would be nearly identical. the same, within reason, should hold true for the Viper, in my opinion.

would you be able to get a shower curtain, and create a spray booth that would capture the over spray of the Wagner? this way you could continue operations while getting your Viper up and running.
 
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Default Re: What to do with clogged nozzles

I actually have not even really fully begun operations, haha. I am pretty much stuck in testing mode. To be honest I want to figure out the Viper and then get the business going again. I do not even care to take any jobs and try to start pretreating by hand while trying to still figure out what is going on here. I guess I am just so determined/frustrated with what is happening at this point that I just need to figure it out and do not want to print for customers unless I can do it the way I envision running my business which is with the Viper.
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Old December 19th, 2012 Dec 19, 2012 11:54:46 AM -   #117 (permalink)
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Default Re: What to do with clogged nozzles

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i've sprayed in an open room for over 4 years with no problems or issues. yes there is overspray, and yes it cleans up.
Ditto - I do exactly the same
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Old December 19th, 2012 Dec 19, 2012 12:39:12 PM -   #118 (permalink)
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Default Re: What to do with clogged nozzles

Well I agree 100% it should do it.. Funny how knowledge/experience don't equate, trial and error I'm seeing as the real answer... but if something as basic as this can help over the hump so be it...Attachment 34626

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