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Justin Walker July 23rd, 2012 01:43 AM

Neoflex One Hour Production Cycle - Nonstop Printing
 
Tonight was one of those rare nights where I actually found myself in the shop printing (just filling in a late-night shift to make sure we stay on top of the orders) - since I had my computer with me, I went ahead and set it up to record one full hour of my production cycle. Actually, I thought I had recorded much more than that but apparently the software I was using automatically stops recording at one hour.... Oh well, one hour is enough to give you an idea of how things flow - notice I have more than enough time to load, unload, pre-treat, print and even meander about aimlessly for periods of time; I am not rushed at all, and I can keep the machine moving by myself.

Neoflex Production Cycle - One Hour in 15 Minutes - YouTube

Many people have requested live printing videos from end-users, but I think most small business owners aren't trying to show the "behind the scenes" workings of their shop, to the public. In my case, I don't particular like showing how messy my place is, and I also feel as though I should be showing this process with slightly better hardware (such as some auto-opening heat presses to smooth things out a bit) - at any rate, this will give people something to look at for a few minutes. :D

It was a good night for printing - humidity was around 38% the whole time I was at the shop, with temps in the high 70's.

http://www.fusionlogisticsgroup.com/...ty-july-23.png

NOTE - the two shirts I hold up at the end of the video are not the images being printed; I just happened to walk by those shirts (which were printed for my pregnant wife and her sister) and wanted to share them with the world. :)

GraphicGuy July 23rd, 2012 02:57 AM

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What are you using to cure your shirts? You sliding it in something?
Nice video.

allamerican-aeoon July 23rd, 2012 03:10 AM

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2nd heat press is right side behind the camera.:) Nice and Clean shop and organized. Cheers! Thanks for sharing.
PS: Do you ever Sleep?

VTG July 23rd, 2012 03:15 AM

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Thanks Justin, good "behind the scenes" video.

Nice to see how a pro does it.

Looks like you're first step in curing the print is simply "hovering" over the shirt on the heat press, no pressure at all. Correct? And I gather your final press is done on the other heat press (which was out of the camera's view) with some pressure. Correct?

Shop looks clean and organized, so no need to worry about appearances. :)

Congrats on the new arrival! Due date?

VTG July 23rd, 2012 03:19 AM

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Originally Posted by allamerican (Post 1140905)
PS: Do you ever Sleep?

I was wondering the same thing Peter!

I saw him close his eyes for 30 seconds, I'll bet that was all he got last night. :)

allamerican-aeoon July 23rd, 2012 04:07 AM

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Lol,
If he 30second close his eyes that is equal to 2 minutes. Long enough to him. Maybe~.
Did he print this job for urgent today's morning delivery or video purpose? Anyway his shop is cleaner than my living room :)? Don't mention my bedroom. Lol
Cheers! Have a nice day.

Jon Borno July 23rd, 2012 07:50 AM

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LOL german youtube.:mad:

TPrintDesigner July 23rd, 2012 09:54 AM

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Thanks for the video, very brave and very informative. The first thing that struck me straight away was how slow the process is. I would love to see a similar video using production mode to compare against the speed of my kit.

What size was the print?

23spiderman July 23rd, 2012 10:16 AM

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what do you use on your bed that allows you to remove/replace the platens so quickly? just marks on the bed, or is there some kind of stops used to easily slide the platen into place?

Justin Walker July 23rd, 2012 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by GraphicGuy (Post 1140903)
What are you using to cure your shirts? You sliding it in something?

I am using a Hix "draw press" to hover the shirts (also used for curing the PT fluid), then I move the shirts over to the clamshell press that is just off camera; you will notice that I only place the shirts on the hover press when the clamshell is already backed up (if I don't hover on the draw press, I use the clamshell to hover for a few seconds before fully closing the press for curing).

Justin Walker July 23rd, 2012 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by allamerican (Post 1140905)
PS: Do you ever Sleep?

Sleep? What's that? haha With everything that has been going on recently, I think "sleep" is going to be a foreign concept to me for awhile longer....

abmcdan July 23rd, 2012 11:00 AM

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Justin,

Do you do the complete pretreatment with a paintbrush only?

Justin Walker July 23rd, 2012 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by VTG (Post 1140906)
Looks like you're first step in curing the print is simply "hovering" over the shirt on the heat press, no pressure at all. Correct? And I gather your final press is done on the other heat press (which was out of the camera's view) with some pressure. Correct?

Correct - initially I just want to ensure the ink is dry to the touch when I close the heat press for a final cure, since I want to minimize any potential ink transfer to the parchment paper. When I actually close the press to cure the ink, I try to keep minimal pressure at this step - the only time I use heavy pressure is for curing the PT fluid, prior to printing.


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Originally Posted by VTG (Post 1140906)
Congrats on the new arrival! Due date?

THANKS! :) So far, the due date is 12-12-12.... My little baby girl!

Justin Walker July 23rd, 2012 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by allamerican (Post 1140914)
Did he print this job for urgent today's morning delivery or video purpose?

The order I am printing in the video is due in the client's hands tomorrow, but the full order is 105 units WITH DTG printing, screen printing, rhinestones AND foil! I have a feeling tonight will be another very long night.......

I am off to LA to buy a bucket load of rhinestones! :D

Justin Walker July 23rd, 2012 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Jon Borno (Post 1140963)
LOL german youtube.:mad:

lol. Is there something I need to do on my end to ensure that this video can be viewed around the world? Or does Germany simply not respect the Neoflex??? :mad:

Justin Walker July 23rd, 2012 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by TPrintDesigner (Post 1141018)
What size was the print?

The overall print speed is definitely a factor to consider - when my staff is printing, we try to have both machines running simultaneously (obviously the other machine is Dual-CMYK, so unfortunately I couldn't boost up the production speed by printing on both machines for this order). With both machines running we are pretty much cranking shirts out all day, which justifies the slower print time for dark garments.

NOTE: For the first two cycles on the machine, you will notice the printer stops at the front for a few seconds before continuing to print - this is because I was sending the job from the RIP "one copy at a time". Once I switched to sending multiple copies you see that I do not need to press a button on the machine to make it come forward and start the next round - this speeds up the process slightly, as well. It is the little things you have to keep an eye on!

The size of the print I am running in the video is about 10" x 10" or so - we ran a sample in Production Mode (hoping it would meet our standards so we could knock these out much faster) and it came pretty close, but the difference was too noticeable for my particular taste. However, if we had decided to run production mode the prints would certainly be faster!

Justin Walker July 23rd, 2012 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by 23spiderman (Post 1141037)
what do you use on your bed that allows you to remove/replace the platens so quickly? just marks on the bed, or is there some kind of stops used to easily slide the platen into place?

We have placed corner marks using a thick double-sided tape roll - each of the platens slides right into place and stops when it comes in contact with the raised "bumpers" - no reason to spend a bunch of time trying to line up the platens when you are in a hurry trying to knock out t-shirts! :D

Justin Walker July 23rd, 2012 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by abmcdan (Post 1141058)
Do you do the complete pretreatment with a paintbrush only?

Hey Andy! I am using the ViperONE PT machine to spray the shirts with pre-treat fluid (the machine with the vibrant yellow platen, in the video), then I use the Wooster brushes to push the fibers flat - once I have brushed each shirt, then I heat press it and toss it in the stack for printing.

If anyone wants more information about the Wooster brushes we use for the PT portion of the process, check out the following link:

Use High Quality Wooster Brushes to Help Minimize Fibrillation | DTG Print Solutions

102557 July 23rd, 2012 12:10 PM

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Cool stuff Justin!!:)
I think you work more than me..lol You will start working even more with the new baby.. lol they are expensive!! I dont think i ever congratulated you on the new arrival coming soon in all the times we talked, i appologize and a big congrats to you and the misses!! Love the posts on facebook!! the pregnancy snacks!! etc "the taco bell graphic made me laugh for an hour!! .. I have a boy on the way also, due in september my 4th baby!! you will have alot of fun, kids are awesome:p

Jon Borno July 23rd, 2012 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Justin Walker (Post 1141064)
lol. Is there something I need to do on my end to ensure that this video can be viewed around the world? Or does Germany simply not respect the Neoflex??? :mad:

For me was no problem too see it. I know how to configurate my browser. The problem is the music.

13 Stitches July 23rd, 2012 07:59 PM

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Justin,
We loved watching your video and of course have many questions. Like it looks like you are hitting the Viper button twice, we only hit ours once-is yours an older model? You are rolling it and we use a wagner brush-does a roller help the pretreat adhere better? You press before you pretreat, we press before we print, but after the pretreat, does that make the pretreat adhere better as well?
Why all the pretreat questions? Well, right now we are freaking out with our product. We have tested lots of shirts and do not understand how we what seems to be getting the product perfect, and continue to have sticking problems. I just did a run of 60 shirts, that are going to be sold in a surf shop. We tested them with a couple of washes and drys. When we wash the ones we did for ourselves, a few of the shirts are sticking together in the wash! We did not even get them in the dryer. We are using the Anvil #980's, which were made in four different countries, 4 turns of the ViperOne. One set of 2 washes, not turned inside out, one dry,but first two washes were turned inside out,warm water-no problems. Tonight we washed them and they stuck together in the wash. What if this happens to the 60 shirts that are in the surf shop? Why is this happening? We were told our humitiy seemed good but we do not have a humitidy gun you showed a picture of. How can we possibly ever get it right-can you tell I am upset? I am going to put out a post and ask for advice. I do not know what we could be doing wrong-especially after it washed fine first couple of times. Another shirt stuck together too, that had been washed 4 times and dryed, stuck together this last time. How does one sell a product with confidence, and not worry that when the customer gets it home, it will stick together? No doubt the prints are great but if they do not last I will be out of business by reputation alone.
Thank you for your input-it's so appreciated.

VTG July 23rd, 2012 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by 13 Stitches (Post 1141304)
Why is this happening? We were told our humitiy seemed good but we do not have a humitidy gun you showed a picture of. How can we possibly ever get it right-can you tell I am upset? I am going to put out a post and ask for advice. I do not know what we could be doing wrong-especially after it washed fine first couple of times. Another shirt stuck together too, that had been washed 4 times and dryed, stuck together this last time. How does one sell a product with confidence, and not worry that when the customer gets it home, it will stick together? No doubt the prints are great but if they do not last I will be out of business by reputation alone.
Thank you for your input-it's so appreciated.

Don't freak out, I'll bet the NeoFamily will chime in to help you solve your problem. :) When you write up your new thread try to include the specific steps you are taking from start to finish ... include relevant details, like your PT process, heat press settings (time, temp, pressure), curing process ... this info will help folks understand what may be causing the issue your having.

13 Stitches July 23rd, 2012 08:59 PM

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Originally Posted by VTG (Post 1141309)
Don't freak out, I'll bet the NeoFamily will chime in to help you solve your problem. :) When you write up your new thread try to include the specific steps you are taking from start to finish ... include relevant details, like your PT process, heat press settings (time, temp, pressure), curing process ... this info will help folks understand what may be causing the issue your having.

I posted already but will go and add that information. We are following the instructions from training for the pretreat.

Thank you for your kindness. I do not know what we will say to the vendor of the 60 tees if the customer has a problem with them-it hurts their reputation as well,and they just bought the surf shop and have been doing a great job getting it back in it's feet.

allamerican-aeoon July 24th, 2012 05:35 AM

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No one seems sleeping. After midnight posts are all over. NeoOwls.:)
Sally, let's back to solve your freaking mystery. Wake up Sally!
Cheers! Beers are on me always.

g.lupo July 24th, 2012 08:23 AM

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after you pretreat are you using a foam roller or a brush, I couldnt tell, ive been suing a foam roller.

23spiderman July 24th, 2012 08:30 AM

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Justin uses Wooster paint brushes after spraying. i use a plastic sign vinyl squeegee, as using foam makes no sense to me since it would absorb some of the pretreat. however, i need to try the Wooster way to see the difference.

g.lupo July 24th, 2012 08:34 AM

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yoru right it absorbs some, but i guess after so many trials and doing that from get go from training, i have my settings down to where it dead on, but i have no problem trying other methods, thanks spider

Stitch-Up July 24th, 2012 11:18 AM

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I used to ue a foam roller but found it was taking pre-treat off the shirt! I now use a hard rubber roller and it works well.

allamerican-aeoon July 24th, 2012 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Justin Walker (Post 1141063)
The order I am printing in the video is due in the client's hands tomorrow, but the full order is 105 units WITH DTG printing, screen printing, rhinestones AND foil! I have a feeling tonight will be another very long night.......

I am off to LA to buy a bucket load of rhinestones! :D

Keep making that big bucks.:) I am sure you are too busy to read here. Long night again? Where did you find time for having baby? But you managed well :) lol. Congrat I mark date on my calendar 12/12. You will receive surprise from AA.
Can you show NeoFamily your foil technique? Is it screen print foil or Dtg foil? Your YouTube has 77 visitors. Double lucky seven.
Cheers! Beers are on me always.

Racer July 24th, 2012 06:07 PM

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Someone asked how Justin was able to line up the platens so quickly. I realized that maybe everyone did not know about how he did it.We bought our Neo through Justin and he and Ricky came to our shop and set it up for us. They put double stick tape on the bed so it was easy just to butt the platen up to the tape and it was in the correct place. I thought that was how it was supposed to be. Well after a while the tape gets ragged so we cut our own strips out of 1/8" pvc and attached them in place with double sided banner tape. Its very clean and durable and even someone like me can get the platens in the correct place. If your not doing this give it a try , it makes things much quicker.

printer631 July 24th, 2012 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by 13 Stitches (Post 1141304)
Justin,
4 turns of the ViperOne.

4 turns on the viperone is only about 14 grams of fluid laydown and we would get terrible results with that little pre treat. We use about 23 grams or 1-1/2 turns to 2-1/2 turns or 17 grams for our dark shirts depending on the brand we are running. we use more pretreat on heavier T's and less on the thinner ones. We only use as little as 14 grams on the white shirts with white shirt pretreat.

13 Stitches July 24th, 2012 09:09 PM

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What brand are you using with that amount of pretreat? We started with 2.5 - 2.25 turns,but felt we could go less. We use Anvil #980's.I guess we will have to start from scratch again-I do not know what to do. They look great at 4 turns.
If you have shirts and data for each brand and color, and would be willing to share it-that would be soooooo GREAT!

13 Stitches July 24th, 2012 09:12 PM

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Also, it looks as though Justin pushes the button twice. Someone told me he lays down pretreat lighter,but two coats and that works better for him. Have you heard this-do you do it this way?
Thanks for your help.

allamerican-aeoon July 25th, 2012 08:08 AM

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Sally,
I watched again but still didn't see him push twice. Maybe my eyes?
Let's see what Justin will say.:)
Cheers and beers are on me!

13 Stitches July 25th, 2012 08:54 AM

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Originally Posted by allamerican (Post 1142023)
Sally,
I watched again but still didn't see him push twice. Maybe my eyes?
Let's see what Justin will say.:)
Cheers and beers are on me!

We had to watch a couple of times too-Paul is the one who saw it, but it's definitely twice. It's on his website that two times are better than one, like when you spray even coats with paint-he just doesn't tell you how much he does for each shirt. I think he is planning on putting up a guide to that soon.

DAGuide July 25th, 2012 09:13 AM

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Originally Posted by allamerican (Post 1142023)
I watched again but still didn't see him push twice. Maybe my eyes?

Go to 8:25 in the video. Right about 8:30 mark, you can see where Justin presses the button twice. Because the video is speed up four times, it happens pretty fast.

Mark

spiderx1 July 25th, 2012 09:14 AM

Ok Justin the question is. If printing 3 shirts in high quality mode. Can you load and make it to In and Out before it finishes. Hey logistics! An Army travels on its stomach. LOL.
Great job thanks for the video.

allamerican-aeoon July 25th, 2012 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by DAGuide (Post 1142060)
Go to 8:25 in the video. Right about 8:30 mark, you can see where Justin presses the button twice. Because the video is speed up four times, it happens pretty fast.

Mark

I guess my eyes are shot. Justin did many pretreated in Chaplin's 1920s fast forward movie but just that time he push button twice not any other times? I feel like a CSI:) now.
justin, where are you? drive me crazy. lol
Cheers! beers are on me always.

Jon Borno July 25th, 2012 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by allamerican (Post 1142112)
I guess my eyes are shot. Justin did many pretreated in Chaplin's 1920s fast forward movie but just that time he push button twice not any other times? I feel like a CSI:) now.
justin, where are you? drive me crazy. lol
Cheers! beers are on me always.

LOL :D Needs some subtitle and piano music.

printer631 July 26th, 2012 04:22 AM

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Originally Posted by 13 Stitches (Post 1141862)
What brand are you using with that amount of pretreat? We started with 2.5 - 2.25 turns,but felt we could go less. We use Anvil #980's.I guess we will have to start from scratch again-I do not know what to do. They look great at 4 turns.
If you have shirts and data for each brand and color, and would be willing to share it-that would be soooooo GREAT!

We use Hanes Nanos on 2-1/2 turns and Hanes Beefy Ts we go 1-1/2 turns on Gildan 64000 we use 1-5/8 We have been getting good wash tests. But that doesn't mean that my settings will work for you. We have a 50% humidity level in our neo print room and we brush very firmly with a wooster white brush from top to bottom. We tried foam rollers and found they pull off the pretreat. We pretreat with quilon at 330 for 30 seconds with firm pressure and then without any paper for 5-10 seconds to further push down the fibers. We cannot print at 14 grams as the white ink will not stay on top of the fibers for us. If I could go 4 turns I would since the cost of pretreat is so high. Don't know if that helped but thats what has been working for us.


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