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printer631 July 24th, 2012 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by 13 Stitches (Post 1141304)
Justin,
4 turns of the ViperOne.

4 turns on the viperone is only about 14 grams of fluid laydown and we would get terrible results with that little pre treat. We use about 23 grams or 1-1/2 turns to 2-1/2 turns or 17 grams for our dark shirts depending on the brand we are running. we use more pretreat on heavier T's and less on the thinner ones. We only use as little as 14 grams on the white shirts with white shirt pretreat.

13 Stitches July 24th, 2012 09:09 PM

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What brand are you using with that amount of pretreat? We started with 2.5 - 2.25 turns,but felt we could go less. We use Anvil #980's.I guess we will have to start from scratch again-I do not know what to do. They look great at 4 turns.
If you have shirts and data for each brand and color, and would be willing to share it-that would be soooooo GREAT!

13 Stitches July 24th, 2012 09:12 PM

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Also, it looks as though Justin pushes the button twice. Someone told me he lays down pretreat lighter,but two coats and that works better for him. Have you heard this-do you do it this way?
Thanks for your help.

allamerican-aeoon July 25th, 2012 08:08 AM

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Sally,
I watched again but still didn't see him push twice. Maybe my eyes?
Let's see what Justin will say.:)
Cheers and beers are on me!

13 Stitches July 25th, 2012 08:54 AM

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Originally Posted by allamerican (Post 1142023)
Sally,
I watched again but still didn't see him push twice. Maybe my eyes?
Let's see what Justin will say.:)
Cheers and beers are on me!

We had to watch a couple of times too-Paul is the one who saw it, but it's definitely twice. It's on his website that two times are better than one, like when you spray even coats with paint-he just doesn't tell you how much he does for each shirt. I think he is planning on putting up a guide to that soon.

DAGuide July 25th, 2012 09:13 AM

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Originally Posted by allamerican (Post 1142023)
I watched again but still didn't see him push twice. Maybe my eyes?

Go to 8:25 in the video. Right about 8:30 mark, you can see where Justin presses the button twice. Because the video is speed up four times, it happens pretty fast.

Mark

spiderx1 July 25th, 2012 09:14 AM

Ok Justin the question is. If printing 3 shirts in high quality mode. Can you load and make it to In and Out before it finishes. Hey logistics! An Army travels on its stomach. LOL.
Great job thanks for the video.

allamerican-aeoon July 25th, 2012 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by DAGuide (Post 1142060)
Go to 8:25 in the video. Right about 8:30 mark, you can see where Justin presses the button twice. Because the video is speed up four times, it happens pretty fast.

Mark

I guess my eyes are shot. Justin did many pretreated in Chaplin's 1920s fast forward movie but just that time he push button twice not any other times? I feel like a CSI:) now.
justin, where are you? drive me crazy. lol
Cheers! beers are on me always.

Jon Borno July 25th, 2012 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by allamerican (Post 1142112)
I guess my eyes are shot. Justin did many pretreated in Chaplin's 1920s fast forward movie but just that time he push button twice not any other times? I feel like a CSI:) now.
justin, where are you? drive me crazy. lol
Cheers! beers are on me always.

LOL :D Needs some subtitle and piano music.

printer631 July 26th, 2012 04:22 AM

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Originally Posted by 13 Stitches (Post 1141862)
What brand are you using with that amount of pretreat? We started with 2.5 - 2.25 turns,but felt we could go less. We use Anvil #980's.I guess we will have to start from scratch again-I do not know what to do. They look great at 4 turns.
If you have shirts and data for each brand and color, and would be willing to share it-that would be soooooo GREAT!

We use Hanes Nanos on 2-1/2 turns and Hanes Beefy Ts we go 1-1/2 turns on Gildan 64000 we use 1-5/8 We have been getting good wash tests. But that doesn't mean that my settings will work for you. We have a 50% humidity level in our neo print room and we brush very firmly with a wooster white brush from top to bottom. We tried foam rollers and found they pull off the pretreat. We pretreat with quilon at 330 for 30 seconds with firm pressure and then without any paper for 5-10 seconds to further push down the fibers. We cannot print at 14 grams as the white ink will not stay on top of the fibers for us. If I could go 4 turns I would since the cost of pretreat is so high. Don't know if that helped but thats what has been working for us.

13 Stitches July 26th, 2012 06:25 AM

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Originally Posted by VTG (Post 1141309)
Don't freak out, I'll bet the NeoFamily will chime in to help you solve your problem. :) When you write up your new thread try to include the specific steps you are taking from start to finish ... include relevant details, like your PT process, heat press settings (time, temp, pressure), curing process ... this info will help folks understand what may be causing the issue your having.

Do you brush hard with the wooster?

allamerican-aeoon July 26th, 2012 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by 13 Stitches (Post 1142555)
Do you brush hard with the wooster?

Sally, I hope you solved your sticking issue by now.:)
What is hard and soft? Long and short? Thick and thin? Man thinks it is big but woman thinks it is small.:) pocketbook. Lol.
Cheers! Beers are on me always

spiderx1 July 26th, 2012 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by 13 Stitches (Post 1142555)
Do you brush hard with the wooster?

I was at Justin's and watched his tech. The brushing tech was firm, one direction strokes top to bottom. But I would not say hard. Maybe the man himself will pop in and have a better way to put it.

13 Stitches July 26th, 2012 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by allamerican (Post 1142645)
Sally, I hope you solved your sticking issue by now.:)
What is hard and soft? Long and short? Thick and thin? Man thinks it is big but woman thinks it is small.:) pocketbook. Lol.
Cheers! Beers are on me always

I can't wait for beers with you after that comment!
We started over again today with testing, using 3., 3.25,3.5,4, turns, but two times with viper so it equals 3=6, 3.25=6.5, etc. Prepress first, then pretreat with paper, press again, 80 psi. Print, cure @350, hover 30 secs, med pressure 60 psi,90 secs silicon paper, 2 x's, for #980 Anvil's. Used bra on top of heat press, except for last shirt, at 4 turns, 40psi. Some say light pressure on TSF, some say heavy pressure TSF-do not know which it is.
Will let you know later after washing all day. Gone through lots of pretreat, shirts and ink with all this testing.

13 Stitches July 26th, 2012 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by spiderx1 (Post 1142656)
I was at Justin's and watched his tech. The brushing tech was firm, one direction strokes top to bottom. But I would not say hard. Maybe the man himself will pop in and have a better way to put it.

Hey-can you give me more "secrets":
  1. What style # shirts are they using?
  2. What dial turns are they using for blacks?
  3. What dial turns are they using for white?
  4. Do they press again after pretreat, and then again before they print?
  5. Do they hover for few seconds before pressing when curing or only if the other press is being used when curing for 90 secs?
  6. I have air compressor, psi-are they using light pressure, medium pressure or firm pressure to cure What are the psi equivalents?
  7. Do they press again with no silicon after cure to set it?
  8. If it sitcks, do they press again with no silicon paper?
  9. Do they change the pretreat amount for colors?
  10. How do they do two sides of a shirt?
  11. What environments are they using for shirts, and shirts with colors?
Sorry-not trying to be a jerk with all these questions, just inquiring minds need to know to make better quality shirts the first time and not spend so much on testing.
THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU!!


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