[Kornit General] Kornit Vulcan - Page 2 - T-Shirt Forums
 

Hi, Unregistered. | Today's Posts

T-Shirt Forums
User Name
Password

Register Today For Free!

Forgot Your Password?





Site Navigation








+   T-Shirt Forums > T-Shirt Industry Information > Direct to Garment (DTG) Inkjet Printing > Kornit
Discussion, tips, pictures, reviews and peer to peer support for current and future Kornit DTG owners.



[Kornit General] Kornit Vulcan

Like Tree3Likes

 
Share This Thread Thread Tools
Old January 7th, 2016 Jan 7, 2016 1:54:10 PM -   #16 (permalink)
T-Shirt Lover
T-Shirt Fan

m31uk3's Avatar
 
Member Since: Jan 2008
Posts: 57
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Thanks: 1
Thanked 8 Times in 8 Posts


Default Re: Kornit Vulcan

Quote:
Originally Posted by Simons88
Yes we have had down time, but you cant say 20 entry level DTG printers would be easy to manage, maintain, clean and keep running!
Honestly we have twice the downtime on the AVKs than we do on the Storms...

I'd love to see Brother come out with a less maintenance intensive model, at $20k you can afford to pay more for consumables and still come out ahead.

There is no question that the market will eventually settle on a modular approach. The question is just how long....

I'd really love to see a DTG Offset/Transfer printer. Plug it in and let it print all night. No more head strikes, no more dryers, no more tears!
 
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
Old January 7th, 2016 Jan 7, 2016 2:04:25 PM -   #17 (permalink)
T-Shirt Lover
T-Shirt Wizard

Titchimp's Avatar
 
You can call me: Nick
Member Since: Nov 2006
Location: Milton Keynes, UK
Posts: 548
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Thanks: 30
Thanked 42 Times in 39 Posts


Default Re: Kornit Vulcan

Quote:
Originally Posted by treefox2118
Would cost me about $1500 to create a fake 3D marketing ad for vaporware, too!

Also, $1,000,000 would cover the cost of buying 20 entry level DTG printers AND paying salaries for 6 years for the 6 laborers to run it. And no worry of an outage.

I'm not understanding the point of putting all your eggs in one expensive basket, unless the labor savings are enormous. Can you image the profit loss when you're cranking out 250 shirts an hour and your machine goes down for 3-4 shifts before a tech can fly in?
I think a large part of the maths is dependent on the fact that companies who buy a Vulcan are planning on running it 24/7 365.

If you have 20 printers and 6 people running it, at the minimum wage in the UK you are paying £44 per hour in staff costs, vs £14.50 if you had a couple of people running a Vulcan. If you factor this up over the 168 hour week you are paying £7392 per week for a 6 man team vs £2436 for the 2 man shift on a vulcan.

£385,440 per year for a 6 man team vs £127,020 for the 2 man team. Although this is all beer mat calculations as I am not entirely sure 6 of our staff could run 20 machines and handle all of the pre-treat , pressing, printing, curing. But likewise 2 people on one Vulcan would be a bit of a push
 
Old January 7th, 2016 Jan 7, 2016 4:16:54 PM -   #18 (permalink)
Senior Member
Certified T-Shirt Junkie


treefox2118's Avatar
 
You can call me: Brian
Member Since: Sep 2010
Posts: 2,478
Mentioned: 7 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Thanks: 271
Thanked 705 Times in 538 Posts


Default

The problem with extended math comparisons is two fold:

1. You can't factor in down time when your one big machines go down (huge profit losses if you're running 24/7 3-shifts)
2. One big machine or 20 small machines both will need to be chucked in 5 years or less. 20 small machines may have far cheaper replaceable parts.

In my opinion, if the labor cost equalizes at year 4, I'd still go small machines. If it equalizes at year 2, the big boy wins.
 
 
Old January 8th, 2016 Jan 8, 2016 7:31:15 AM -   #19 (permalink)
T-Shirt Lover
T-Shirt Wizard

Titchimp's Avatar
 
You can call me: Nick
Member Since: Nov 2006
Location: Milton Keynes, UK
Posts: 548
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Thanks: 30
Thanked 42 Times in 39 Posts


Default Re: Kornit Vulcan

Quote:
Originally Posted by treefox2118
The problem with extended math comparisons is two fold:

1. You can't factor in down time when your one big machines go down (huge profit losses if you're running 24/7 3-shifts)
2. One big machine or 20 small machines both will need to be chucked in 5 years or less. 20 small machines may have far cheaper replaceable parts.

In my opinion, if the labor cost equalizes at year 4, I'd still go small machines. If it equalizes at year 2, the big boy wins.
Yeah like I said, I'm not sure the staffing figures are anywhere near right, let alone any of the other things like the cost of ink (reduced for vulcan i am told), pre-treatment in both time and cost of the liquid, energy costs, etc etc
 
Old January 13th, 2016 Jan 13, 2016 1:09:31 PM -   #20 (permalink)
Forum Member
T-Shirt Member

Charliebooms's Avatar
 
You can call me: Mike J.
Member Since: Sep 2012
Posts: 14
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts


Default Re: Kornit Vulcan

Yes,

The press is looking to be available 4th quarter of 2016. The cost right is up in the air any where between $800,000 to $1,000,000. The Vulcan will use Kornit's new Pure Ink and not the paradigm white. The volume of the press is said to produce up to 250 units an hour by 4th quarter of 2016. It is using 60 Spectra PWR's as a new technology print head with a ink recirculation system to ensure that the ink is kept stirred with a 30 picoliter dot. Its a really impressive piece of machinery.
 
Old January 13th, 2016 Jan 13, 2016 1:24:11 PM -   #21 (permalink)
Senior Member
Certified T-Shirt Junkie


treefox2118's Avatar
 
You can call me: Brian
Member Since: Sep 2010
Posts: 2,478
Mentioned: 7 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Thanks: 271
Thanked 705 Times in 538 Posts


Default Re: Kornit Vulcan

Does the Spectra PWR offer a temperature controlled function for managing the low viscosity ink?

30 picoliters is awesome -- I haven't seen the Pure Ink in liquid form but I assume it's really thick and rich.
__________________
Call me Brian.
 
Old January 16th, 2016 Jan 16, 2016 10:06:09 PM -   #22 (permalink)
T-Shirt Lover
T-Shirt Fan

ShirtHub's Avatar
 
Member Since: Jul 2011
Posts: 31
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Thanks: 7
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts


Default Re: Kornit Vulcan

The ink cost they are targeting is between .45-65 cents per print. A larger driver of the low cost is the new circulating print head. What I was told is that you basically never have to purge and wipe.....eventually the Avalanche Line will have this technology....can't wait for that.
 
Old January 17th, 2016 Jan 17, 2016 11:52:51 AM -   #23 (permalink)
T-Shirt Lover
T-Shirt Fan

tyguycarroll's Avatar
 
You can call me: Tyler
Member Since: Sep 2011
Posts: 59
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Thanks: 21
Thanked 16 Times in 8 Posts


Default Re: Kornit Vulcan

What are the pricepoints on the other Kornit machines?

Storm II?
Avalanche?
Avalanche 1000?
 
Old January 17th, 2016 Jan 17, 2016 6:50:50 PM -   #24 (permalink)
T-Shirt Lover
T-Shirt Fan

ShirtHub's Avatar
 
Member Since: Jul 2011
Posts: 31
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Thanks: 7
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts


Default Re: Kornit Vulcan

To see prices you can go to the distributor website like spsi. The current prices are listed online.
__________________
http://www.shirthub.com Quality Direct To Garment and Dye Sublimation Printing & Online Fulfillment
 
Old February 3rd, 2016 Feb 3, 2016 1:59:10 PM -   #25 (permalink)
Forum Member
T-Shirt Apprentice

mwalls59's Avatar
 
Member Since: Apr 2015
Posts: 2
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts


Default Re: Kornit Vulcan

I talked to a couple of Kornit reps in the US, and none of them have even seen the Vulcan yet!
 






This is a discussion about Kornit Vulcan that was posted in the Kornit section of the forums.

Quick Reply
Type Your Message Below:
Do NOT Post Self Promotional URLs, Advertisements, Sales Offers or Requests. It is against our Forum Guidelines.
Options

Register Now

In order to be able to post messages on the T-Shirt Forums, you must first register.


Please enter your desired user name, your email address and other required details in the form below.

Your username must be between 2 and 16 characters and contain only letters and numbers (no special characters like hyphens, *, ', ~, etc)
User Name:
Password
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.
Password:
Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter a valid email address for yourself.

A confirmation email will be sent to this address, so please make sure it is accurate and that your email software is set to allow emails from our domain: t-shirtforums.com (sometimes the confirmation email gets accidently filtered into Yahoo/AOL/Hotmail/Gmail spam folders)
.

You won't be able to post until your email address has been confirmed. We take your privacy very seriously. Feel free to review our Privacy Policy in a new window.
Email Address:
First Name
It's nice to be able to be on a "first name" basis with the people you talk to in a forum. This is a totally optional field; if you like being on a first name basis, please enter your first name below :)

Log-in


Thread Tools

Posting Rules

Smilies are On
[IMG] code is Off
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are Off

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Hirsch Offers Kornit Paradigm II Direct-To-Garment Printer Deborah Sexton T-Shirt Industry News 0 July 24th, 2015 01:42 PM
[Kornit 931DS] Carefully Used, Clean, Kornit Storm II conqbi Kornit 0 June 11th, 2015 11:00 PM
[Kornit General] 3 Kornit Avalanche 1000 and 8 Storm 931DS For Sale mylocker Kornit 5 March 23rd, 2015 07:23 AM
[Kornit General] Kornit Avalanche vs S.Roque Screen Printing Press blaineminyard Kornit 3 September 4th, 2014 08:28 AM


All times are GMT -8. The time now is 10:07 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8
Copyright ©2000 - 2019, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
vBulletin Security provided by vBSecurity v2.2.2 (Pro) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2019 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.
Copyright 2004-2014 T-ShirtForums.com. All rights reserved.