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Old September 25th, 2016 Sep 25, 2016 4:15:09 PM -   #16 (permalink)
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Just wanted to show what I did today just fooling around with some 3G Opaque, GCC Expert 2 with optical cutting, and Epson WF7610 using inkxpro CIS system.

I contoured and gave jog marks in AI, then exported to PNG and printed in PS giving the image a +50 in saturation with a 1.0 Gamma.

After printing and loading in the cutter I sent the contour and jog marks from AI to Greatcut 3 and let the optical cutting system do its job.

I put this on a black 50/50, and I did notice a little color bleed from the fabric to the front of the image. I read that using 100% cotton can fix this though.

The letters were done using HTV.

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Yes the bleed is from the disperse dye in the 50/50 t-shirt. The opaque material can actually sublimate a little. Disperse dye is also known as sublimation dye.

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Hi guys,

I don't come here very often but this subject does interest me, I just ordered some test items from Xpres, subliflock and some other dark garment vinyl that works with sublimation and inkjet (forgot it's name), I will let you know the results, also I have owned a OKI 711WT but it was shocking on mugs so I got rid of it, on the few dark T-shirts I tried I used forever no cut laser dark if I recall the name correctly, I did not like the magic touch transfers, way too expensive and crack faster than the forever brand, you can get some great results with the OKI but my next step will be either a print and cut or a DTG, DTG seems to really be coming along nicely and the closest to silkscreen so far.
 
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That maintenance though...

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Oh geez, I was hoping to print on black shirts for my kids' sports teams. Somehow they always end up on black-shirted teams.

So it's more of a challenge to print on those?

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Tested Inkjet Dark by xpres using SG800 sublimation, looked brilliant at first but this stuff is no good for my printer at least, all the colours have run and faded after first wash, might be ok with a regular inkjet? but no good on mine. I have some Forever sublidark to test, I will let you kow the results.
 
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It depends how long term you are looking for, the Print and cut method is great if it is a dedicated print and cut, I have yet to see anything that works with regular printers or sublimation that you print then contour cut that comes close to say a Roland BN20 using just one example, DTG is getting there but only a small amount of printers can print anything other than cotton, if it's just lettering get a cheap vinyl cutter, the OKI 711WT gives pretty good results but long term still needs work, but it can print on anything really, rubbish on ceramics though.
 
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Can't use sub ink on inkjet paper, correct?

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Most regular dark (opaque) transfers are made to minimize sublimating effects.

What I mean by that is the the base color from 50/50 t-shirts are actually using a mix of organic dye for the cotton fibers and then also using disperse dye for the poly fibers, which is actually sublimation dye.

So during heat transfer the base color of the dark t-shirt can discolor the white opaque material. The transfer manufacturers deliberately make the material hard to sublimate, but some color can still get though.

This means that the opaque material is a poor sublimation medium. So for this sub inks are not advised.

So most opaque transfer manufacturers suggest only to use 100 % cotton t-shirts for dark transfers. The organic dye won't discolor the white opaque material.

On "light" transfers in most cases you can use sub inks, as the clear polymer is easily sublimated. But pigments work great on these and you lose the sublimation advantage using sub ink with regular "light" inkjet papers.
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It was on the advise of Xpres that I try inkjet dark with sublimation inks, but Inkjet Dark defo a no no for sub inks, and actually I was able to peal the transfer off, this was on a 100% cotton gildan, I don't think I will even bother with the forever sublidark? I think I will just wait for a print and cut?
 
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It was on the advise of Xpres that I try inkjet dark with sublimation inks, but Inkjet Dark defo a no no for sub inks, and actually I was able to peal the transfer off, this was on a 100% cotton gildan, I don't think I will even bother with the forever sublidark? I think I will just wait for a print and cut?
Any mention I have made of Opaque materials I was referring to opaque transfer papers designed for regular inkjet inks.

As you mention there does exist opaque material that is sublimatable. This material was not designed for regular inkjet inks.

Any regular inkjet ink opaque transfer that are sublimatable those could only be used on 100% cotton t-shirts, otherwise using on 50/50 you would get the base color bleeding into the transfer from the manufactured tshirt dye.

Anyway just to clarify on my statement.
 
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@mgparrish so have you tried it inkjet dark with a regular printer? I was going to buy a A3 inkjet and a cutter but I am not sure it's worth it, what do you think? Thanks.
 
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@mgparrish so have you tried it inkjet dark with a regular printer? I was going to buy a A3 inkjet and a cutter but I am not sure it's worth it, what do you think? Thanks.
This is what I am currently testing.

http://www.neenah.com/technical/heat...paque%20II.pdf

So far about 13 washes no cracking. Opaques are notorious for cracking so my testing is not complete.

I'm thinking 25 washes and no cracking should be OK, but I'll keep testing up to 40 washes. Hand is not good, but I'll take more hand over cracking any day, there are no opaques with good hand, just some are not as bad as others.

I just got in a Silhouette Cameo but haven't used it to cut any opaque paper yet.

I haven't tested the xpress product ... but looking at the product description looks like would be OK with pigments on either 50/50 poly cotton or 100% cotton.

For sublimation inks usage I would only put on 100% cotton as I have mentioned that dark color 50/50 t-shirts actually have disperse dye, which is sublimation dye.

I'm skeptical that the dye from a 50/50 t-shirt wouldn't discolor the opaque material during pressing, aka dye migration. The un-printed white areas in the design (if there is any open white space in the transfer) would appear off white or gray. Light colors like yellow or pink might look "muddy".

If the Xpres paper is good in terms of not cracking I don't see any advantage of sublimating it, unless all you had was a sublimation printer. Both pigments and sublimation inks on that material should be permanent in terms of washing. The sublimation advantage of no hand and no background "box" is lost on a opaque transfer.

Even if you can't decide on a good opaque paper consider that offering JPSS for white and light colors is a no brainer. Question becomes is there an opaque that you think is OK to sell. So you would still have a good reason to get a cutter and inkjet printer, JPSS rocks.

Starting out I would suggest not buying large quantities of opaque paper, get small sample orders only then test yourself.
 
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Hello...

Can anyone give me idea about texjet DTG printer life....
means how much one printer prints tshirts in his life.......
and what is the wash-ability status..... white tshirts print & Dark tshirts print

Texjet company saying wash-ability is good... & 80tshirts can print in one hour....

i am not understanding this is true or false.... because all DTG Manufacture cannot tell true.. what is the disadvantage of the printer..... because they are doing business....

Can anyone help this..... because i am searching from internet about this printer review online... but i am not getting the answer...


My Points are

1. Can this printer is useful for tshirts business ??
2. Can this printer prints more than 25000 pcs tshirts in his life ??
3. can tshirts print washable is good ??
4. what is the maintenance cost ??
5. What is the ink cost per Sq.in, if 90% print coverage ??
6. pre-treatment is easy to apply ??
7. what is the hidden disadvantage of this printer ??
8. after fusing the print from heat press, print colour change or not..??
9. White ink blockage status.??
10. how much printer prints in one hour.. light & Dark tshirts ??
11. How Much ink waste, when we apply power cleaning option ??
12. how much difference between print & computer viewing design...
13. How much Wastage tshirts percentage...

One of my india machine user told me that we can print minimum 50pcs same design..

but DTG printer print one design also.... means 50pcs all different designs...
why this machine user is afraid to print 50pcs all different design, can any one have this answer too...
 
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Hello...

Can anyone give me idea about texjet DTG printer life....
means how much one printer prints tshirts in his life.......
and what is the wash-ability status..... white tshirts print & Dark tshirts print

Texjet company saying wash-ability is good... & 80tshirts can print in one hour....

i am not understanding this is true or false.... because all DTG Manufacture cannot tell true.. what is the disadvantage of the printer..... because they are doing business....

Can anyone help this..... because i am searching from internet about this printer review online... but i am not getting the answer...


My Points are

1. Can this printer is useful for tshirts business ??
2. Can this printer prints more than 25000 pcs tshirts in his life ??
3. can tshirts print washable is good ??
4. what is the maintenance cost ??
5. What is the ink cost per Sq.in, if 90% print coverage ??
6. pre-treatment is easy to apply ??
7. what is the hidden disadvantage of this printer ??
8. after fusing the print from heat press, print colour change or not..??
9. White ink blockage status.??
10. how much printer prints in one hour.. light & Dark tshirts ??
11. How Much ink waste, when we apply power cleaning option ??
12. how much difference between print & computer viewing design...
13. How much Wastage tshirts percentage...

One of my india machine user told me that we can print minimum 50pcs same design..

but DTG printer print one design also.... means 50pcs all different designs...
why this machine user is afraid to print 50pcs all different design, can any one have this answer too...
There is a DTG section here where you might be better served with our questions from actual DTG users. This is the inkjet transfer section.
 
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@mgparrish The inkjet Dark that I tried on 100% Gildan did what you said, the shirt colour came through in this case black, and also the colours run after one wash, I did save on a shirt though because the transfer actually peeled off. Are there any basic solvent printers for purchase? It would be nice just to buy one of those and use regular vinyl for a poor mans print and cut , all the other stuff seems no good for commercial use, I still cannot understand why we don't have a proper sublimatable Vinyl which is as good as regular print and cut, I mean you use a cutter on regular garment Vinyl it's there for life. For the record apart from it being RBG black the OKI 711WT that I had wasn't bad at all using the forever brand for darks, I have a shirt on now that is just starting to crack but it has had many washes, not the best feel to it though.
 






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