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Old July 8th, 2008 Jul 8, 2008 10:03:38 AM -   #1 (permalink)
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Default Imageclip Paper help: Paper backing taking image with it after hot peel

I am using Imageclip transfer paper for the first time and can't seem to get it to work.

It is the paper with the 2 step process.
So where is what I am doing, if you notice something I'm doing wrong, PLEASE LET ME KNOW!

Print my image onto the red backed paper
Heat press to 200 degress
Press the Red Back paper to the Green Back Paper and press for 20 seconds
Hot Peel both sheets apart

But this is where I am having issues. The Green Back is taking some of the image with it leaving my image on the Red back missing images.

I really hope this makes sense but I am totally lost and don't know what to do.

I tried calling the company I bought it from and the guy was really no help at all.

Any advice would be great!
 
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Default Re: Imageclip Paper help: Paper backing taking image with it after hot peel

This paper is very temperature sensitive. The instructions i have read says 225 degrees for 20 seconds, not 200 degrees.
 
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Default Re: Imageclip Paper help: Paper backing taking image with it after hot peel

My instructions says 210 for 20 second, light pressure. I think it is pressure sensitive during this step, too. good luck
 
 
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Default Re: Imageclip Paper help: Paper backing taking image with it after hot peel

You need to peel while the papers are still hot without lifting both of them off the lower platten. Imageclip is not ideal for light pastel or gradient color design because there will not be enough toner to adhere to that is coming from the green sheet. Instead the polymer will lift the toner from the red paper. It is normal to have a faint trace of the image on the green paper.

Did you try pressing the red paper after pressing the two sheets even though you have image on the green paper? The red paper should look matte when the polymer is transferred from the green paper.

I suggest you try this post to get a good polymer transfer to red paper:
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Default Re: Imageclip Paper help: Paper backing taking image with it after hot peel

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You need to peel while the papers are still hot without lifting both of them off the lower platten. Imageclip is not ideal for light pastel or gradient color design because there will not be enough toner to adhere to that is coming from the green sheet. Instead the polymer will lift the toner from the red paper. It is normal to have a faint trace of the image on the green paper.

Did you try pressing the red paper after pressing the two sheets even though you have image on the green paper? The red paper should look matte when the polymer is transferred from the green paper.

I suggest you try this post to get a good polymer transfer to red paper:
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So peel the top sheet off while the bottom sheet is still lying down?
No, I didn't try to press the Red after pressing with the Green as most of the image was gone and I didn't want to waste a shirt.
There was a faint trace of the rest of the image on the green though, so maybe there was too much pressure?

Thank you so much though!
I will definetly try it again but with all your suggestions!
 
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So peel the top sheet off while the bottom sheet is still lying down?
Yes. The paper need to be kept hot and the polymer in the soft state.

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No, I didn't try to press the Red after pressing with the Green as most of the image was gone and I didn't want to waste a shirt.
Try pressing on a scrap fabric instead of a new shirt.

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There was a faint trace of the rest of the image on the green though, so maybe there was too much pressure?

Faint trace of image on the green paper is normal. I use medium pressure when pressing the two papers together. Some members claim that they are using the same pressure that is used for pressing the transfer on the shirt. Sometimes using light pressure does not leave even coat of polymer transferred to the red paper.

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Thank you so much though!
I will definetly try it again but with all your suggestions!
Try the silicon baking cookie sheet method to keep the papers hot while peeling them apart.
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Try the silicon baking cookie sheet method to keep the papers hot while peeling them apart.
I have a teflon sheet, is that the same thing or will it work just the same?
I have noticed that the teflon sheet is really hot after doing a shirt, I actually burnt my finger on it
 
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Default Re: Imageclip Paper help: Paper backing taking image with it after hot peel

type "silicon baking sheet" in a search engine. The product is its own thing, Imageclip is tricky. Do a search on this forum for it and you will find all sorts of tricks. I only had luck when I implemented all tricks.

I use 215 degrees 15 - 20 secs and repeat the time if the poly is not evenly spread. It is worth the struggle to figure out because the results are amazing...
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Default Re: Imageclip Paper help: Paper backing taking image with it after hot peel

So I tried it again and the outer part of the image is coming out great but the inside of the circle isn't transfering at all.
Could there be uneven pressure or not enough pressure at all?

I transfered the 2 sheets at 210 for 10 seconds then for another 5 seconds with a teflon sheet (it is all I have right now) then transfered the red sheet to the shirt at 350 for 20 seconds (that is what my instructions say)
It is a picture of a coin and the outer circle is coming out but the picture of the guy on the coin isn't coming off at all?
 
Old July 9th, 2008 Jul 9, 2008 9:34:47 PM -   #10 (permalink)
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Default Re: Imageclip Paper help: Paper backing taking image with it after hot peel

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I have a teflon sheet, is that the same thing or will it work just the same?
I have noticed that the teflon sheet is really hot after doing a shirt, I actually burnt my finger on it
Actually teflon sheet does not have enough mass to maintain the temp to stay long enough to peel the papers. I have tried it and it did not work as well as the silicon sheet. Department stores has cheaper brand than the one shown in my post that works. My wife would not let use her SILPAT anymore . As a matter of fact I am using a piece that I bought from a local Target store. I paid $7.00 for it. Just make sure that both sides do not have embossed or raised surfaces. Cut a piece at least one of the corners so that corner of the transfer paper is exposed for ease of peeling.
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Old July 9th, 2008 Jul 9, 2008 10:21:25 PM -   #11 (permalink)
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So I tried it again and the outer part of the image is coming out great but the inside of the circle isn't transfering at all.
Could there be uneven pressure or not enough pressure at all?

I transfered the 2 sheets at 210 for 10 seconds then for another 5 seconds with a teflon sheet (it is all I have right now) then transfered the red sheet to the shirt at 350 for 20 seconds (that is what my instructions say)
It is a picture of a coin and the outer circle is coming out but the picture of the guy on the coin isn't coming off at all?
A picture of a coin has what is known as gradient color. It is the type that fades from dark to light or visa versa. This type of image lays down less toner in some area on the red sheet and therefore does not have enough for the polymer to adhere on. The reason the circle works because it has more toner laid on the red paper. You can try darkening the colors a bit or increase the gamma of the entire image.

Here is the manufacturers pressing instructions: http://www.neenah.com/technical/pdf/...p9770P0807.pdf

Factory or vendor instructions are good starting point.

Heat press characteristics vary between different units even with the same brand. You have to find the best settings that will give the best result.

You can try using Duracotton HT if the fabric color is white or ash. Duracotton HT is not self weeding so the polymer will show on some pastel color fabric.

BTW Duracotton Manufacturer is located in Canada.
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Default Re: Imageclip Paper help: Paper backing taking image with it after hot peel

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A picture of a coin has what is known as gradient color. It is the type that fades from dark to light or visa versa. This type of image lays down less toner in some area on the red sheet and therefore does not have enough for the polymer to adhere on. The reason the circle works because it has more toner laid on the red paper. You can try darkening the colors a bit or increase the gamma of the entire image.

Here is the manufacturers pressing instructions: http://www.neenah.com/technical/pdf/...p9770P0807.pdf

Factory or vendor instructions are good starting point.

Heat press characteristics vary between different units even with the same brand. You have to find the best settings that will give the best result.

You can try using Duracotton HT if the fabric color is white or ash. Duracotton HT is not self weeding so the polymer will show on some pastel color fabric.

BTW Duracotton Manufacurer is located in Canada.
You are so AWESOME!
Thanks again!
 
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You are welcome. I am glad I am able to help .
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