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Old February 15th, 2016 Feb 15, 2016 10:51:44 AM -   #1 (permalink)
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Default Is RIP software required to output a film positive with fill color percentages

can you output a film positive with one color set to multiple fill percentages without rip software. Also, would the rip software just output those percentages at halftone?

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Old February 15th, 2016 Feb 15, 2016 11:34:28 AM -   #2 (permalink)
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Default Re: Is RIP software required to output a film positive with fill color percentages

Yes, RIP software is kind of critical to getting great film.
They are expensive, like $500, but with an Epson printer, every film positive you make will have opaque
blacks and you can control the halftones.

It's like having tires on you car, they don't make the car go, they don't protect you from the outside, but the car can't go anywhere without them.
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Default Re: Is RIP software required to output a film positive with fill color percentages

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Yes, RIP software is kind of critical to getting great film.
They are expensive, like $500, but with an Epson printer, every film positive you make will have opaque
blacks and you can control the halftones.

It's like having tires on you car, they don't make the car go, they don't protect you from the outside, but the car can't go anywhere without them.
Thanks for the reply!

any recommendations on RIPs or is Accurip the only decent thing out there?
 
 
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Default Re: Is RIP software required to output a film positive with fill color percentages

You can get away without RIP software but you got to do all the work in photoshop if you know how. I've used a RIP and sent it to an imagesetter and I've tried the photoshop way and sent it to an imagesetter. Hardly any difference in quality. Just more labor. I even do a trick on a xerox machine which is real cheap and it works fine for simple designs. You just pay the photocopy price and the vellum paper. People want to get technical and say this and that but I say get the sh1t done.
 
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Default Re: Is RIP software required to output a film positive with fill color percentages

AccuRip seems to be the best and the industry standard.
I had another RIP software, but it did not work with Windows 10, so I needed to bite the bullet and buy AccuRIP. It's really nice to use.
You might get away without using a RIP software. But it's not easy and not professional.
When I started up my current company 8 years again, I've been printing for 30 years. I tried everything to not buy the RIP software. could not get halftones, could not get opaque black on film,
and now that I use AccuRIP, I smile every time I make film positives. That's a lot of smiling.
So $500 over 2 years, is only $1.00 a day, not too bad for something that works and makes making screens way easier.
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Default Re: Is RIP software required to output a film positive with fill color percentages

Thanks for input. Still starting up and trying to see where to put the money. Right now it's between a flasher and rip software. I think I could go the manual route. I'm a graphic designer and feel very comfortable in the programs. Hopefully I can work some magic.
 
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Default Re: Is RIP software required to output a film positive with fill color percentages

If I were you forget the rip for now until you start making money. Here is a link to give you an idea of how to rip halftones yourself.Printing Halftone Film Positives Without A RIP
This is just an automated way. But basically whats happening is the channels are split. Then each channel is converted to a halftone screen bitmap. You enter your desired lpi, angle and type of dot. Theres a lot more to explain but you get the idea.

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Default Re: Is RIP software required to output a film positive with fill color percentages

I don't think you need a rip to produce quality or "professional" films and designs. Just because something is considered "industry standard" doesn't mean it's "industry required". To say that because someone doesn't have all the "standard things" a lot of people use, that they are less professional, or produce lesser quality is a little foolish imo.
 
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Default Re: Is RIP software required to output a film positive with fill color percentages

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If I were you forget the rip for now until you start making money. Here is a link to give you an idea of how to rip halftones yourself.Printing Halftone Film Positives Without A RIP
This is just an automated way. But basically whats happening is the channels are split. Then each channel is converted to a halftone screen bitmap. You enter your desired lpi, angle and type of dot. Theres a lot more to explain but you get the idea.
Thanks for the link. I would assume its a little different for vector art, right?
 
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Default Re: Is RIP software required to output a film positive with fill color percentages

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I don't think you need a rip to produce quality or "professional" films and designs. Just because something is considered "industry standard" doesn't mean it's "industry required". To say that because someone doesn't have all the "standard things" a lot of people use, that they are less professional, or produce lesser quality is a little foolish imo.
Thats what im hoping for....I just know, that some things have limitations and if i cant output what i need, then its not going to make it onto the screen and then on the shirt. But if i can do it without the RIP im all IN.
 
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Default Re: Is RIP software required to output a film positive with fill color percentages

If you can get usable film and halftones, that's really what matters.

Commercial products make life easier, but cost lots of money.
Sometimes it is time VS money, and when starting out, people have lots more time than money.

Good luck and do good work.
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Default Re: Is RIP software required to output a film positive with fill color percentages

You can try Ghostscript/Ghostview, but you'll get much better quality from a RIP.
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