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Old January 7th, 2015 Jan 7, 2015 6:13:59 AM -   #1 (permalink)
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Default How To Fit Bounding Box To Text?

When working with text I need to know the exact letter height, not the em height and without the leading as is included in the illustrator bounding box around type.

I need it exactly the way it would measure if converting the text to outlines. Converting text to outlines gives me that measurement. But then the text is no longer "live", thus, I can't make any changes if need be.
 
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Default Re: How To Fit Bounding Box To Text?

One workaround that I know of is to go to Edit > Preferences > General and check Use Preview Bounds. Then select your typed letter with the Selection Tool (V) and go to Effect > Path > Outline Object. You now have a bounding box which hugs the text tightly, so you can see and adjust its true dimensions in the Transform window.

If you later want to remove the Outline Object effect, select the text with the Selection Tool (V) and click the Clear Appearance button at the bottom of the Appearance window.
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Default Re: How To Fit Bounding Box To Text?

What's "Bounding box"? I think that was called "The Extent of Selection" in earlier CorelDraw versions. Wait, were you talking about CorelDraw?
 
 
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What's "Bounding box"? I think that was called "The Extent of Selection" in earlier CorelDraw versions. Wait, were you talking about CorelDraw?
sounds like illustrator to me.
 
Old January 8th, 2015 Jan 8, 2015 7:18:18 AM -   #5 (permalink)
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Default Re: How To Fit Bounding Box To Text?

Easiest way if it's text converted to outlines, just look at the info pallet. (ctrl + f8) It tells you what the height is right there. Width too. It's a realtime readout.

or....You can use the ruler which is under the eye dropper tool.

Click and drag from one side of the text to the other. The Info box gives you realtime readout of height. In preferences I set my unit of measure to inches, but you can get points, picas, pixels and maybe something else that starts with the letter P.

You could also turn on your window ruler (ctrl+r) click and drag from the upper left corner of the page ruler gives you the ability to set where the page says 0,0 is. Its way cool.

Set 0.0 on the upper left corner on your text and then drag 2 guides down, one on top, one on the bottom of the text and your page ruler will tell you the height.
 
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Default Re: How To Fit Bounding Box To Text?

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When working with text I need to know the exact letter height, not the em height and without the leading as is included in the illustrator bounding box around type.

I need it exactly the way it would measure if converting the text to outlines. Converting text to outlines gives me that measurement. But then the text is no longer "live", thus, I can't make any changes if need be.
those are all ways to do it.

why don't you pull up the rulers for the workspace, drag your text next to it, zoom in and look to see what height the letters are? if you need it a specific height drag guidelines down from above and set them to the top and bottom measurement you need and then either constrain drag your bounding box so the text fits within the guides or select text and use the point size settings in the character window to effect the change?
 
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One workaround that I know of is to go to Edit > Preferences > General and check Use Preview Bounds. Then select your typed letter with the Selection Tool (V) and go to Effect > Path > Outline Object. You now have a bounding box which hugs the text tightly, so you can see and adjust its true dimensions in the Transform window.

If you later want to remove the Outline Object effect, select the text with the Selection Tool (V) and click the Clear Appearance button at the bottom of the Appearance window.
I'll add that the text remains live/editable with this method and it doesn't change the appearance of the text at all. Furthermore, the Outline Object effect can be removed at any time (though there isn't a need to do so that I know of).

I made a quick video demonstrating this - YouTube link. As you can see, the 72-point Times New Roman capital letter S is showing as being 40.043 x 81.946 points, because that's the dimensions of its bounding box, which is much larger than the letter itself. When I apply the Outline Object effect, the bounding box shrinks to the size of the letter itself, so now we see (and can adjust) its true dimensions of 31.676 x 49.852 points. Note that the text is still live (which I demonstrated by backspacing to erase it and then typing a letter D in its place), and it hasn't changed in appearance at all. This is exactly what the OP was looking to do.

I'm pointing this out because Outline Object sounds suspiciously like Create Outlines, which is a completely different function that does the exact same thing as Object > Expand..., i.e., it permanently converts the text to ordinary vector objects, making it no longer live/editable, which the OP specifically does not want to do.

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I'm pointing this out because Outline Object sounds suspiciously like Create Outlines, which is a completely different function that does the exact same thing as Object > Expand..., i.e., it permanently converts the text to ordinary vector objects, making it no longer live/editable, which the OP specifically does not want to do.
that's what had me confused about this method........

very cool.
 
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Default Re: How To Fit Bounding Box To Text?

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sounds like illustrator to me.
I know, that was an attempt on the "inside" CorelDraw joke. Somewhere along the way they changed the wording from "Extent of Selection" in X5 to " The Bonding Box" in X7 in objects distribution options and at first that confused the hell out of me.
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Default Re: How To Fit Bounding Box To Text?

I would love for this to be solved in Illy. Been driving me nuts for quite some time.
 
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Default Re: How To Fit Bounding Box To Text?

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I would love for this to be solved in Illy. Been driving me nuts for quite some time.
It is solved in Illustrator. See post #2.
 
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Cool Re: How To Fit Bounding Box To Text?

The text bounding box confused me too,

When the text is still live, hold the " command " key down
while clicking and dragging the bounding box right bottom
corner outward

it'll open up and reveal any hidden text, if the box won't
expand, click on the text and " shift, command, B "
will convert the box to an expandable bounding box

One of the quirks in Illustrator for sure, hope that helps
 
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Originally Posted by MaximRecoil
I'll add that the text remains live/editable with this method and it doesn't change the appearance of the text at all. Furthermore, the Outline Object effect can be removed at any time (though there isn't a need to do so that I know of).

I made a quick video demonstrating this - YouTube link. As you can see, the 72-point Times New Roman capital letter S is showing as being 40.043 x 81.946 points, because that's the dimensions of its bounding box, which is much larger than the letter itself. When I apply the Outline Object effect, the bounding box shrinks to the size of the letter itself, so now we see (and can adjust) its true dimensions of 31.676 x 49.852 points. Note that the text is still live (which I demonstrated by backspacing to erase it and then typing a letter D in its place), and it hasn't changed in appearance at all. This is exactly what the OP was looking to do.

I'm pointing this out because Outline Object sounds suspiciously like Create Outlines, which is a completely different function that does the exact same thing as Object > Expand..., i.e., it permanently converts the text to ordinary vector objects, making it no longer live/editable, which the OP specifically does not want to do.
This method does not represent an accurate measurement of the text. I already done this.
 
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Default Re: How To Fit Bounding Box To Text?

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those are all ways to do it.

why don't you pull up the rulers for the workspace, drag your text next to it, zoom in and look to see what height the letters are? if you need it a specific height drag guidelines down from above and set them to the top and bottom measurement you need and then either constrain drag your bounding box so the text fits within the guides or select text and use the point size settings in the character window to effect the change?
It works fine but i takes a lot of your time. Coreldraw makes this problem simple.
 
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Default Re: How To Fit Bounding Box To Text?

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This method does not represent an accurate measurement of the text.
Yes, it does.

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I already done this.
Then you didn't do it right.

For example, a 72-point Times New Roman capital letter "S", as live text, measures 40.043 x 81.946 points. If you expand it to a normal vector object it measures 31.676 x 49.852 points.

Can we agree that when you expand live text to a normal vector object you then get an accurate measurement of the text?

Okay, so the accurate measurement of the 72-point Times New Roman capital letter "S" is 31.676 x 49.852 points.

Now, using the method I described, the live text 72-point Times New Roman capital letter "S" measures 31.676 x 49.852 points; in other words, the measurement is accurate.

Watch the dimensions in the Transform window as I select each Times New Roman 72-point letter "S" in this video.

- The "S" on the left (red) is normal live text with the oversized bounding box.

- The "S" in the middle (green) is also live text, but is using the method I described (which you falsely claim doesn't work). Notice that its bounding box tightly hugs the letter.

- The "S" on the right (blue) has been expanded to a normal vector object.

Note that the dimensions shown in the Transform window are identical for the green and blue "S", even though the green "S" is still live text and the blue "S" is just a vector object.
 






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