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Old March 5th, 2007 Mar 5, 2007 12:30:49 PM -   #1 (permalink)
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Default Affliction style designs

Hi,

I am new to this forum, as well as t-shirt design, but have do web design & some graphic design for a living.

A couple of friends & I started a t-shirt/clothing company & we are trying to create designs, similar to what Affliction and some of the other places have done.

I did one design & had it printed already & had a good response, but I personally would like the designs to be more complex and have some depth to them.

What I am having a hard time with is how a place like Afflicition gets their designs from concept to print. I know they are using some tattoo artists to come up with the designs & getting the concepts created aren't all that hard for me, but what do most t-shirt/screen printing companies want their files in? I have a lot more skill in Photoshop than Illustrator, but can get by in Illustrator. The designs that someone like affliction uses though, are fairly complex (albeit nice) and I am not sure if they are creating them entirely in Illustrator, or mixing, etc.

Any advice you can give, would be great. Thanks!
 
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Old March 5th, 2007 Mar 5, 2007 12:59:19 PM -   #2 (permalink)
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hi welcome to the forum.
i think you will find that many designers have a preferred program they design in, but if you have a good knowledge of both photoshop and illustrator together, you can do some pretty crazy stuff. much like what you see on affliction.

check out this post, you may find some good information here:
https://www.t-shirtforums.com/graphic...elp/t8811.html
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also depending n the printer you decide to use you should be able to create all your work in photoshop. Some shops do not have the ability or knowledge of separating design sfrom raster images which is why you will see that vector is preferred. This is only due to lack of knowledge. A skilled artist/separator will be able to take on any photoshop file for prepping color spearations.

Just make sure your art is
at print size
no smaller than 200 dpi
not flattened (layers active)
 
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Old March 5th, 2007 Mar 5, 2007 7:31:19 PM -   #4 (permalink)
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Some shops do not have the ability or knowledge of separating design sfrom raster images which is why you will see that vector is preferred. This is only due to lack of knowledge.
No it's not. It's also due to the fact that separating in Illustrator is quicker, and that you don't have to worry about the design having been created to the correct size and resolution.

There's nothing wrong with using Photoshop, but Illustrator is just better for spot colour work. A refusal to work with Photoshop is probably due to lack of knowledge, but a preference for Illustrator just indicates an understanding of it being the better tool for the job (again, for spot colour and not process).



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Old March 6th, 2007 Mar 6, 2007 5:02:27 AM -   #5 (permalink)
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There's nothing wrong with using Photoshop, but Illustrator is just better for spot colour work
Lewis this still isnt 100% true. Why is Illustratror or any vector software better for spot colors? I can create a complete design in Photoshop using stock clipart and separate in spot colors easily and quickly. For most, working in vector is easier and it definently has its benefits yet there are a lot of effects that just cannot be replicated correctly or easily in vector. A simple bevel like the attached is easier to create in a raster program, will still be separated and printed as a spot color design with halftones.

In not knocking vector work at all. My main goal is to find new ways of making vector art as photo realistic as possible. See brayers Towing - All vector created in CorelDRAW
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Thanks for the input. That other thread helps a lot.

I personally can work the hell out of something in photoshop way better than Illustrator. Some of that is because, as previously stated, it is way easier to create an effect in PS, partly due to application restrictions, partly due to my own knowledge & experience.

Just shows me I need more Illustrator work.
 
Old March 6th, 2007 Mar 6, 2007 7:51:12 AM -   #7 (permalink)
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Hey FLUID
I like your towing design, I use CorelDRAW most of the time myself.
 
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Thanks brian. Ive been using corel for over 10 years and still learn something new every day. Keep on pluggin away and youll find new, better & faster ways of creating

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Just shows me I need more Illustrator work.
great vector skills is always a good thing.
 
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here is a good way to integrate photoshop and illustrator

• you can draw/paint/create something and bring it into photoshop
• separate your artwork into specific colors and make them into bitmap images
• bring those bitmap images into illustrator and assign them spot colors
• play around with placement, scale and effects and you can have a pretty • nice looking design that doesn't loose the detailed "photoshop look"

as far as bitmap creation is concerned, i usually use halftone pattern, 35-45lpi works for water based prints, and an ellipse dot shape.

most fashion forward t-shirts are using a lot of photoshop work. its not possible for me to work in photoshop without illustrator open if i'm doing a design. drawing and manipulating line art/text/gradients is so easy in illustrator while photoshop is easier (for me) for composition and layering.
 
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The newer versions of Photoshop and Illustrator are now containing the same
sets of filters and cool effects in both programs. Remember, however, that
Illustrator is a vector based program for well, illustrating, and Photoshop is
a bitmap program for photo editing. Both are expensive to buy and upgrade,
but they are very popular. CorelDRAW is a very powerful vector program that
includes a bitmap photo-editing program with it that is less expensive. If you
are going to be in this business, learn as much as you can with whatever
you can afford.
 
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Default Re: Affliction style designs

Thanks guys for the info, it is greatly appreciated. Hopefully I can come up with some cool stuff & I will post it for you to see.

Jasperketone, when you are talking about working between the 2 programs, what dpi are you usually working in? Is that the reference of 35-45lpi, which I am guessing is a screen printing measurement?

I am a web designer by trade & do some print design, so I have a decent amount of knowledge when it comes to using the 2 apps, but t-shirts/screen printing are a whole new animal to me.
 
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i usually work @ 300dpi.

as for lpi.. when you convert your artwork from continuous tone to halftone then you measure the dot size in lpi. if you mismatch your lpi with the mesh on the screen you can get bad moire problems.. here's what i use for common lpi/mesh combos over here..

86-110 mesh / 25-30lpi (plastisol, flocking, foil, etc)
125-160 mesh / 30-40lpi (water base, discharge, plastisol)
200 mesh / 35-45 lpi (water base, discharge, plastisol)
305-355 mesh / 45-75 lpi (process color, plastisol)
 
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Anyone knows if the Affliction shirts are printed with waterbased inks?
 
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Anyone knows if the Affliction shirts are printed with waterbased inks?
My guess is yes, since their prints have such a soft hand to it. I've heard there are other ways to achieve this...I just don't know what they are.
 
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My guess is yes, since their prints have such a soft hand to it. I've heard there are other ways to achieve this...I just don't know what they are.
reducing plasticol inks back with a cureable reducer
discharge printing using weaterbased pigments or plasticol pigments
 






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