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How to upload wash sample pics for DTG vs T-jet blazer

 
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Old June 8th, 2008 Jun 8, 2008 8:18:08 AM -   #31 (permalink)
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Default Re: How to upload wash sample pics for DTG vs T-jet blazer

My washings got worst results than this group. Again my samples were sent to me as sales sample from the DIST. wanting to sell thier printers, when I was buying and trying to make a buying decision .
Thank you for making this post, it is very helpful.
 
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Old June 8th, 2008 Jun 8, 2008 5:21:48 PM -   #32 (permalink)
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Thanks for the post and the pics. You've solidified my opinion:

I LOVE MY BROTHER.

I can usually turn people away from black shirts, once they've felt the output from the brother.
If I can't get them away from black, oh, well. I have a local whlsle screen printer.
 
Old June 8th, 2008 Jun 8, 2008 6:37:43 PM -   #33 (permalink)
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If I can't get them away from black, oh, well. I have a local whlsle screen printer.
I would also consider print-cut of heat transfers or if the quantity is high enough for the # of colors you can use plastisol transfers. The key is to remember that there are more ways to decorate a dark shirt than just dtg or screen printing. Knowing the advantages and disadvantages of all of these will help you make the most money and serve your customers' needs.
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Thanks for the post and the pics. You've solidified my opinion:

I LOVE MY BROTHER.

I can usually turn people away from black shirts, once they've felt the output from the brother.
If I can't get them away from black, oh, well. I have a local whlsle screen printer.
What kind of ink does the brother machine use? is it water based?

Do you use the white shirt pretreatment?

The T-jet is still really bright. I'm thinking maybe just the 8 colour system would produce even better results. i.e no white. What's the print size of the brother on their latest machine.
Can it do long T's and Hoodies. i.e deep bed. I posted these pics because i am seriously considering purchasing a machine so trying to find out which is best.

You got any brother wash tests?
 
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Both the dtg and tjet use the same ink sets. They both use dupont ink so the difference you are seeing is strictly the way they were printed. Different operators print with different settings so that is probably where you are seeing the difference with your wash tests. It would be a more accurate test if you were to have both distributors print them the exact same way with the exact same settings. Say if one is printed with a double pass and one is printed with a single pass, the results will be amazingly different. If one is printed at 720x720 and one is printed at 1440x720 again you will have a really big difference. The hardest way to see if a machine works well is getting samples thru the mail because you have no idea how they were printed or what type of pretreatment was or was not used. If a light color garment is pretreated with fast color and one is not and both are printed the same then you will see a difference because of the pretreatment.

evaluating samples that are sent to you without you seeing them printed is a really hard way to decide whether you like the printer, unfortunately the people that do the sales are usually not that great at printing You would think they would do a good job because they want to sell the machine, when in reality they print so many samples that I think they stop really worrying about whether they are doing a good job. I would suggest anyone who buys a machine to go to a printwear show and see all the different machines in action or at least go and visit each distributor you can and watch the shirt being printed, and have them done exactly the same so you know how it was done and what to expect in wash testing it.
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Thanks Sunnydayz all valid points. I agree you would think they would do double pass, high resolution for the samples.

A question to all: wash fastness before using the white shirt pretreatment. Any res. 1 or 2 pass. And after using the pretreatment. Is there a huge difference is wash fastness?

Also assume that the curing times are enough etc.. so only difference is white shirt pretreatment.
 
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I have found the fastcolor makes a really great difference it the washability of the lights. It works really great.
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I have found the fastcolor makes a really great difference it the washability of the lights. It works really great.
Would i be right in assuming that US screen has fastcolour and that DTG does not have its own brand of "fastcolour"?
 
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Thats correct, you can also find the fast color thru equipment zone. You can use it with any machine though, so I just buy it from equipment zone
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Default Re: How to upload wash sample pics for DTG vs T-jet blazer

I just want to add upon what BobbieLee has said above. If you want to compare the results from one company to another, you should make sure that all of the following is the same:
- Use the same type / style of shirt from the same manufacturer
- Use the same graphic and don't let anyone tweak it.
- Use the same printing resolutions.
- If it is a light shirt, choose whether to use pretreatment or not...but both of them do the same process.

In order to do this, I would strongly recommend going to see the distributors or manufacturers either at their business or at a trade show and bring your own shirts that you like to use. The fabric can make all the difference in how a print holds up in the wash. If you can't go in person, then send the shirts to the distributors and ask them to print on them with specific settings.

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Another thing I'd like to know is what machine did DTG use to print these, was it a Kiosk, HM-1, Eclipse, Bullet?

Really what I see is the difference in print engine, the blazer is based on the Epson 4800 now correct?
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I am not sure what bearing the engine has on print quality or wash fastness?
 
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Perhaps drop size, Duel CYMK, etc can be different between the print heads. Wouldn't be that much of a difference between the heads but still a factor I would say.
 
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I am not sure what bearing the engine has on print quality or wash fastness?
Why would the engine not have an impact on the quality? As for the wash fastness, it comes down to like zhenjie said, possibly droplet size?

In theory, if both the DTG and T-Jet were based on the same print engine and using the same Ink set such as Dupont then the print quality and wash fastness should be the same. The only other variables would be the rip and the print operator.
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