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Epson Sure color F2100 vs Texjet Echo (2)

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Old July 25th, 2019 Jul 25, 2019 10:51:16 AM -   #31 (permalink)
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I use their "light color" pretreatment on white poly tees and the detail is incredible. I also like to give my white tees a light pass of pretreatment with one color pass and they look amazing. Washability is excellent when I do this also.

Firebird pretreatment - good stuff.


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Old July 25th, 2019 Jul 25, 2019 11:02:01 AM -   #32 (permalink)
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Gator wow. Tnx a lot for your honest answer. I have 2 more meetings to do, but... More or less I will go with Epson. Here in my European country I have only Epson, PolyPrint and Brother. Brother seller isnt interesting to much and that was big turnoff.

Friend who is printing for me now, own a TexJet Echo, now 5 years old, the print is really ok with Image Armor PT and Inks, durability also. Machine has some dark days with some unreasonable errors, it drives him crazy but he like it anyway
Sometimes when he have a lot to print Im helping him, so DTG isnt so new to me.

@GATOR,so now you're using Firebird Universal and Epson PT or just one?
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Old July 25th, 2019 Jul 25, 2019 11:03:04 AM -   #33 (permalink)
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Gator wow. Tnx a lot for your honest answer. I have 2 more meetings to do, but... More or less I will go with Epson. Here in my European country I have only Epson, PolyPrint and Brother. Brother seller isnt interesting to much and that was big turnoff.
What ever you decide I wish you luck and you'll have a few freinds in here who can help you out a bit along the way. Ghost is very experienced and he knows his sh*t too!

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@GATOR,so now you're using Firebird Universal and Epson PT or just one?
Well I have made the switch to Firebird. I printed 160 white poly tees front and back yesterday (black only) with high detail and they came out simply amazing. My customer was tickled pink so that's a good thing. I took the first one home and washed it (I live 5 miles from work, very lucky) and it didn't fade down not one bit at all. I'll snap a couple of pics and upload them for you tomorrow. It works great in my Brother GTX too.

The Epson pretreatment was very good and I used it forever (in my Epson and Brother DTGs) on everything including caps but I do not like the white shirts having to be washed before a customer can wear them. That has already gotten me in trouble once before. Customer had his tees laying on his desk for few days. Called and told me his white tees were sunburnt and at that time I didn't have a clue what the hell he was talking about. Didn't take long to figure it out though.

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Hehe tnx. For sure I will let you know what decision I will make

Guy from Firebird company told me that with Epson Inks I can use FBX Vivid for white and light tees and everywhere I would use white Ink I need to use FBX 100 - Brother Edition
 
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I know I am one of the ones that puts down Epson Pretreat but in all honesty it isn't that bad I have tried others and i landed on Firebird pretreat 5 or 6 years ago or so and I periodically try say Epson or Image armor or something else just to see and make up my own mind on but I honestly circle back to Firebird because it is usually cheaper and I have to use less of it to achieve the same results at higher laydowns with other pretreats. Plus Firebird is just a 15 min drive away from me so i got to tour their facility (I'm corny I like that stuff lol).
@BobSunday- For what it is worth everything Geno said in his post is right about costs (he beat me to it!) There are so many factors to consider and everyone forgets the maintenance costs because no matter the printer you will be purging some ink down the drain at some point or another and the F2100 isn't that bad in terms of maintenance costs I think the Brother GTX maintenance costs are a bit extreme there are to many consumable parts on it.
I would ask your 2 dealers how many ml's of ink is used in a cleaning cycle and ask how many cycles happen in a typical print day. for both printers and you may be surprised on your ink cost calculations.
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Interesting was an answer from Epson seller on ink cost per print...

I asked him about and he told me: "Look, all that about cost per print is lalalalala... You newer know how much it drains out in garbage when you are printing, cleaning etc. When you will print your first 150 tees, you can put your cartridges on the weight scale and you will know how much INK did you use for those 150 prints in average."

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LOL! I forgot how much I hate printer sales people lol
 
Old July 25th, 2019 Jul 25, 2019 11:51:16 AM -   #38 (permalink)
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FWIW, the Shulze Pretreater IV has three tanks - one distilled water for cleaning and two tanks for different pretreats. Can use for light PT and dark PT. Or use one for Epson's new poly PT if printing on poly is a market you are in. I love my pretreater.
 
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@Rossomeness true. 3 tanks. I will need to optimize my PT process and first do white tees, then clean PT and switch to dark PT for white underbase tees.
 
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As far as I know Firebird is the only company I know of that has gone through a ton of various shirts and came up with recommendations on how to pretreat various shirts it helps taking the guess work out of doing shirts you never tried before. Or starting from scratch. This is the link https://www.firebirdink.com/shirts/
 
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Interesting was an answer from Epson seller on ink cost per print...

I asked him about and he told me: "Look, all that about cost per print is lalalalala... You newer know how much it drains out in garbage when you are printing, cleaning etc. When you will print your first 150 tees, you can put your cartridges on the weight scale and you will know how much INK did you use for those 150 prints in average."

Honest guy
Always remember rule #1 in the DTG world is to never pay any attention to advice given by ANY DTG dealer, period! Some of the techs can be OK but even then I have heard some pretty "bologna" stories from some of them and I have spoken to a lot of them.

The end users will always have the honest answer because they have nothing to gain from it except the satisfaction of helping someone else down the line.

 
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I remember when I first started in this industry and received training from a sales rep/ expert (This was one of the first versions of the Kornit breeze) He gave me the basics, showed me maintenance and how to navigate the RIP software but after he left and I started printing I came up with a ton of new questions like how do i do different fabrics or hoodies. He was happy to answer me but my results were "meh" at best then I came across these lovely forums and started reading everything i could and once I realized everything I learned in my "training" when it came to actually printing was wrong I got much better prints which allowed me to break off from the shop I was doing and open my own place now scoring much larger accounts that allowed me to grow and pay the bills. Its ironic the place I left is now going out of business because they cannot do DTG properly and everyone comes my way now from there because all they ever did was listen to the sales people. Like Geno said ask an end user because they will try to help you if they can and there is so much experience floating around these forums I been doing DTG for a long time now I know Geno has been doing it for a good amount of time now plus he does screen printing and is most likely way better then me at it lol.
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Ghost that 100% true. They have "optimized" for printing on one model black and one model white with max 10 different designs. But many people dont know for this forum and in EU we dont have anything like this.

I made few orders from different print shops and I can't believe what I get for 18€ and up... On one blue tee with white and red print I did scratch the print off easily. I dont know anything about their equipment because our people arent willing to share it
 
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Here are a couple of pics of the white poly tees that I printed using Firebird Light pretreatment. This shirt has already been washed once too.





 
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Here are a couple of pics of the white poly tees that I printed using Firebird Light pretreatment. This shirt has already been washed once too.





Ahhhh Geno it gives me a great sense of pleasure I turned you on to The Vivid. And that is some good prints. This is an oldie but goodie I did this on Firebirds FB2GO it is a 100% polyester. (See if I can push you towards these now lol) I know my alignment is off but at least it shows it is a print and not a transfer.
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