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Old October 27th, 2017 Oct 27, 2017 1:30:39 PM -   #1 (permalink)
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Default Advice before Buying Epson SC-F2000 Print Quality Poor

Hi Everyone

Just looking for a little advice on the Epson SC F2000.

We have been looking at adding a DTG printer to my existing embroidery business and after reading good reviews for the Epson decided to go with this.

My initial purchase is for the printer, Adkins Swing Press and the Schulz PreTreater lV.

We agreed price with supplier and went to visit them today only to come away disappointed with the print quality produced by the printer. (See attached pictures)

I took with me a range of garments all from the Uneek Brand and 50/50 Poly Cotton with the exception of the T-Shirt which is 100% cotton.

As well as T-Shirts we would be looking to print on Sweat, Hooides and Polo-shirts..

Is the Epson suitable for printing block colour and producing good results? from videos I have watched online the prints look a lot better than I saw today.

Any advise would be appreciated.


Thanks Terry
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Where are you located? It looks like you are outside the United States.

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I?m in UK, watched some of your videos already.very interesting.. Had recommendations to use equipmentzone too..
 
 
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Default Re: Advice before Buying Epson SC-F2000 Print Quality Poor

Wow, some of the worst prints I've ever seen to come off a F2000.

A few things to understand is that garment quality and composition of fabric, and the way in which a garment is prepared prior to printing, are crucial factors in achieving great DTG prints.

Looking at the pics those garments are certainly not the best for DTG printing. There are too many fibres and the fabric is too course. They also look to be poorly prepared/pretreated prior to printing.

It takes a lot of sampling to dial in the correct amount of pretreat for a particular brand of garment, and many brands simply aren't suitable for DTG. I always recommend new users to sample different brands and choose to supply only the ones that print the best.

All forms of textile reproduction have limitations and DTG is no different. Therefore one must work within the boundaries of what is possible on any particular brand/style of garment. Just because a tee is 100% cotton doesn't mean it's going to print well with DTG, more so it's about the quality of the cotton and the tightness of the weave.
 
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Default Re: Advice before Buying Epson SC-F2000 Print Quality Poor

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Hi Everyone

Just looking for a little advice on the Epson SC F2000.

We have been looking at adding a DTG printer to my existing embroidery business and after reading good reviews for the Epson decided to go with this.

My initial purchase is for the printer, Adkins Swing Press and the Schulz PreTreater lV.

We agreed price with supplier and went to visit them today only to come away disappointed with the print quality produced by the printer. (See attached pictures)

I took with me a range of garments all from the Uneek Brand and 50/50 Poly Cotton with the exception of the T-Shirt which is 100% cotton.

As well as T-Shirts we would be looking to print on Sweat, Hooides and Polo-shirts..

Is the Epson suitable for printing block colour and producing good results? from videos I have watched online the prints look a lot better than I saw today.

Any advise would be appreciated.


Thanks Terry
Were these printed by the Epson supplier?

Because the print quality is very low and this has not been helped with the test image quality been low.
 
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When screen printing onto Uneek T-shirts and hoodies I have found them much harder to get good initial coverage than other brands. I usually have to hit the underbase twice. Would the same limitation to apply to the DTG pretreat?
 
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Originally Posted by Terry Hayward
Hi Everyone

Just looking for a little advice on the Epson SC F2000.

We have been looking at adding a DTG printer to my existing embroidery business and after reading good reviews for the Epson decided to go with this.

My initial purchase is for the printer, Adkins Swing Press and the Schulz PreTreater lV.

We agreed price with supplier and went to visit them today only to come away disappointed with the print quality produced by the printer. (See attached pictures)

I took with me a range of garments all from the Uneek Brand and 50/50 Poly Cotton with the exception of the T-Shirt which is 100% cotton.

As well as T-Shirts we would be looking to print on Sweat, Hooides and Polo-shirts..

Is the Epson suitable for printing block colour and producing good results? from videos I have watched online the prints look a lot better than I saw today.

Any advise would be appreciated.


Thanks Terry

Just Bought a brand new F2000 few weeks ago and i also find the print coming out with a faded look. cant seem to print a proper bright red on both dark and light garments. Am using Fruit of Loom for tests.

In between am using Garment Creator that came with the printer. Can anyone post their settings? or is it a case of of changing to a different Rip software
 
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Yes I visited the Epson dealer these where printed in front of me..

Visiting Resolute this week may end up going with the R-Jet 5i instead.

I can see Resolute are very active and helpful in this forum which goes a long way when you consider a new user like myself is going to need the support..
 
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When screen printing onto Uneek T-shirts and hoodies I have found them much harder to get good initial coverage than other brands. I usually have to hit the underbase twice. Would the same limitation to apply to the DTG pretreat?
With DTG, pretreat and white ink saturation changes depending on garment quality. Poor quality garments require more of both and some brands are just not worth the trouble.



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Just Bought a brand new F2000 few weeks ago and i also find the print coming out with a faded look. cant seem to print a proper bright red on both dark and light garments. Am using Fruit of Loom for tests.

In between am using Garment Creator that came with the printer. Can anyone post their settings? or is it a case of of changing to a different Rip software
Settings change depending on design and garment being printed. Sometimes it's not the setting that's the issue, it's garment prep'. If you want some setting suggestions you will need to supply a pic of your current issues and the design you're trying to reproduce. PM me or join the F2000 FB group for help. Link in my sig'.
 
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Thanks,

After playing with the settings and pre-treatment, am starting to see slight improvement.

Is it worth buying NeoRip and stop using GC?
 
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Hi
Finally went for the Epson, installed 3 weeks tomorrow, i am absolutely delighted with the machine so far..
Prints are getting better and better every day. So far used a nearly all the white on testing, yet to sell..giving away some free samples to new customers and all has been positive so far..
Today I printed some cheap 50/50 polos one was uneek UC108 and the prints are as near to good quality as on the Gildan100% cotton.
I’m yet to master the pretreatment I struggle to know if I have done it properly or not..
Please see pictures and let me know if i’m moving in the right direction quality wise..
Appreciate all your help and pm’s over the past 6 weeks
Thanks Terry
 
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Hi
Finally went for the Epson, installed 3 weeks tomorrow, i am absolutely delighted with the machine so far..
Prints are getting better and better every day. So far used a nearly all the white on testing, yet to sell..giving away some free samples to new customers and all has been positive so far..
Today I printed some cheap 50/50 polos one was uneek UC108 and the prints are as near to good quality as on the Gildan100% cotton.
I’m yet to master the pretreatment I struggle to know if I have done it properly or not..
Please see pictures and let me know if i’m moving in the right direction quality wise..
Appreciate all your help and pm’s over the past 6 weeks
Thanks Terry


How are you applying and drying your pretreatment?

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I have schulze pretreat maker iv.

For all garments i press the shirt 1st, on the poly cotton I set the speed to 150%, double pass, pretreat x 3 and medium to heavy pressure to dry, then on to printer, then off to cure which I then place parchment paper over the print and teflon sheet over the top of entire garment, then rest the heat press on top (not fully closed) for 90 seconds, i did this twice and the ink came off the polo when rubbed with a piece of paper.

The cotton polo was the same as above but +85%, pretreat once. and ink curing once for 90 seconds. Also i have a lint roller which I use before 1st press.

Does this seem correct?
 
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I have schulze pretreat maker iv.

For all garments i press the shirt 1st, on the poly cotton I set the speed to 150%, double pass, pretreat x 3 and medium to heavy pressure to dry, then on to printer, then off to cure which I then place parchment paper over the print and teflon sheet over the top of entire garment, then rest the heat press on top (not fully closed) for 90 seconds, i did this twice and the ink came off the polo when rubbed with a piece of paper.

The cotton polo was the same as above but +85%, pretreat once. and ink curing once for 90 seconds. Also i have a lint roller which I use before 1st press.

Does this seem correct?

You should be using a parchment or silicone paper cover sheet over the pretreatment when drying it. You should be fully pressing the heat press - not hovering. You are trying to both dry the pretreat and flatten the fibers. You should also be fully pressing the completed print and using silicone coated paper, not simply hovering. No teflon cover over it.

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Hello! I have got a epson 4880 based t-shirt printer and a epson sc f2000. The sc f2000 cleaning cartridge liquid is good for the epson 4880 printer? Not the complet cartridge, just the cleaning liquid in the cartridge. Thank You!
 






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