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Old March 28th, 2015 Mar 28, 2015 2:44:28 AM -   #1 (permalink)
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Hi Guys,

I just got setup with my new Epson F2000 and did some test prints with the technician and everything was going ok, today I pretreated a Black Shirt and the image came out really bad

Also is there anyway to make the images pop more? they all look washed out when I print on the shirt. I'm currently using Gildan Heavy Cotton shirts

Also, could people show me pictures of White on a Black shirt? and what brand shirts are best for the F2000

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Old March 28th, 2015 Mar 28, 2015 3:39:10 AM -   #2 (permalink)
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Default Re: White Ink looks like crap :( help

looks like you have to flush the white inks daily, I did this and it kind of fixed it. Is there anyway to lose the black coming through the white? is this the shirt or a setting that I can change?

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Default Re: White Ink looks like crap :( help

Pretreat skill or select 90%. Add some more Pretreat 25g plus minus.
Use Fire Bird universal pretreat. 99% stain free too.
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Could it be the Gildan shirts?

I'm using 60/40 mix pretreatment

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Could it be the Gildan shirts?

I'm using 60/40 mix pretreatment

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Try another shirt brand shirt and you will probably see a major improvement in your print quality. Gildan shirts do not seem to work well for dtg printing. You can read many posts on the Forums reporting the same.

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Thanks, I'm in Australia can someone recommend a proven quality dtg shirt that is available here

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Default Re: White Ink looks like crap :( help

Most anything 100% ringspun cotton. We have had best results with Anvil 980 / 880, Canvas and Gildan Ringspun (not heavy cotton). We have found that how the garment is pretreated probably has the most impact on print quality but it is something that needs to be tweaked over time based on the shirt material and color as well as what is being printed.
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I'm using 60/40 mix pretreatment

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Default Re: White Ink looks like crap :( help

I pay a visit to Big Frog this week and was told that they use $100.00 worth of white ink cleaning this printer every month. Is this true?
 
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Default Re: White Ink looks like crap :( help

Unless they are electing to do a tube wash every week that seems high. On average we are printing over 2,000 shirts per month and we use about $50 per week for daily nozzle checks, head cleans and tube washing (we tube wash once a month).
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Default Re: White Ink looks like crap :( help

Gildan shirts work just fine, just make sure you use the 6.0 .oz Ultra Cotton t's.

You can manipulate your white ink output in Garment Creator.

Try a light mist of water from a spray bottle when pressing your pretreated shirts dry to get the fibers to lay down flatter. Clamp it with some pressure for about 30 seconds too.

I just got my F2000 set up the other day and yesterday was my first real day experimenting with it. My black shirts printed GREAT and I printed on Gildan Ultras. The Gildan 5.3 .oz Heavy Cotton t's are too coarse for DTG printing I would say. I'll post a couple of photos when I get back on my Mac at home.

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I pay a visit to Big Frog this week and was told that they use $100.00 worth of white ink cleaning this printer every month. Is this true?
It comes in at around $126.00 every 30 days with a tube wash, yes. At least that is what Epson claims.
 
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Unless they are electing to do a tube wash every week that seems high. On average we are printing over 2,000 shirts per month and we use about $50 per week for daily nozzle checks, head cleans and tube washing (we tube wash once a month).
I sure hope my numbers come up that way. That would be great.
 
Old March 28th, 2015 Mar 28, 2015 5:45:37 PM -   #14 (permalink)
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Hey Ryan,

I'm in Aus' and after sampling many different brands on the F2000 I found AScolour shirts to print the best. I mainly use the Staple tee but have printed on many of their garments and all print really well on the F2000. They're more expensive but as the ol' adage goes, 'you get what you pay for'. AScolour is a very high quality shirt and a great fit. I also found the Sportage Surf tee to print quite well and they're pretty good quality and fit too.

The prints you've shown certainly looks like crap . What settings are you using for the white in GC? I also use a 1:1 mix of Epson pretreat.

Using the most suitable shirt, mix of pretreat, and correct settings in GC, you should get results like this - https://www.t-shirtforums.com/epson-s...s/t487146.html

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Default Re: White Ink looks like crap :( help

It looks to be you have a combination of white ink that's separated a bit giving a dull finish, a few blocked nozzles causing noticeable banding and potentially not enough pretreatment.

As for t-shirts. AS Colour as suggest are great and so is the Sportage range. The Gildan fabric is just not a tight enough weave with fibres that are way too long. Have never seen a good DTG result on Gildan unless heavy PT and ink was applied.

A good t-shirt for DTG are not just ringspun t-shirts. You need t-shirts which are combed cotton. It's a process which combs the cotton before the yarn is spun and that helps in taking out all the short fibres which cause fibrillation. What's left are the long soft fibers and a very tight, smooth finish. AS Colour and Sportage are mostly combed cotton garments. Most other local t-shirt suppliers have at least one combed cotton style in their catalogue these days.
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