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My Epson F2000 Surecolor Journal

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Old May 7th, 2014 May 7, 2014 7:27:05 AM -   #46 (permalink)
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I am interested in hearing what people think the new Anvil 780. (5.4 oz Ringspun)

BTW an 8-10 oz t-shirt is heavier than some sweatshirts I use!!!
 
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Old May 7th, 2014 May 7, 2014 7:28:33 AM -   #47 (permalink)
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On light shirts often Pretreat cost is more than INK cost. I am not kidding at all! Many times ink cost is $0.10 while pretreat is $0.25-50. Test yourself, all you need is scale.
I have spread sheets, we bring to shows and show to people. Especially on Epson modifies and commercial printers(Kornit, Aeoon).
Cotton Heritage Dtg fit shirt was found by AA(not American Appearl, All American, me LOL) first on DTG market.
CH favor to AA was special discount apply to NeoFamily(provide ser#). Now so many NeoFamily are using these shirts everyday.
Who's journal is this thread? LOL. Now shirts journal? Ink journal? Pretreat Journal? I love open forum.
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Old May 7th, 2014 May 7, 2014 8:15:01 AM -   #48 (permalink)
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I am interested in hearing what people think the new Anvil 780. (5.4 oz Ringspun)

BTW an 8-10 oz t-shirt is heavier than some sweatshirts I use!!!
In Canda we use a different system 10oz is same as your 5oz. It's a metric thing, using smaller units of measure makes our other units seem bigger I think...
 
 
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Have you used any of the new FOL HD shirts?....They have both a 8.5 oz and 10.1 oz (Canadian weights)....If you catch them on sale they are about the same as Zorrel or less.....But they nail you on 2XL & up...
I have used them and they print great (see attached pic), just dont like the tshirt fit and feel, feedback from customers is that FOL have a tendency to shrink a bit more and lose their fit after a couple of washes. I dont mind them but they do feel very light to me.
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Thanks Alex, We are just about to launch our brand Black Dog Threads and we expect to receive at least 20 orders a day. We plan using American Apparel 2001's for most of the designs. Can you tell me your experience printing on these types of garments?

Obviously I know AA is great for screen printing and general quality, but I haven't heard too many talk about them for DTG.
You may want to try a few different pretreat brands just to rule out pretreat, ringspuns do take up a lot of pretreatment though and the American Apparel should work fine. This is the first year that Epson came out with a machine and any type of ink or pretreat so it may need to be tweaked but your tests should be the judge to see if that is true. Peters prints come out nice
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You may want to try a few different pretreat brands just to rule out pretreat, ringspuns do take up a lot of pretreatment though and the American Apparel should work fine. This is the first year that Epson came out with a machine and any type of ink or pretreat so it may need to be tweaked but your tests should be the judge to see if that is true. Peters prints come out nice
When I referred to "AA" I meant American Apparel.
 
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When I referred to "AA" I meant American Apparel.
Yeah I know. I know it doesn't stand for All American lol
 
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i was suprised when you show up. lol
 
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Today:

1) Bummed to get the first message to clean my lines complete. I will do it sometime later in the week but need to read up on what to actually do. I'm disappointed to lose so much ink. Not something I was aware of before buying this printer.

2) Trying out the NeoRIP I just bought and will send feedback soon. Hopefully the ink savings will be good to help make up for the wasted ink maintenance requires.

3) Printed a garment today that left me perplexed. Not sure why this is happening. I was able to wipe the black ink and have it smudge on the shirt. I heat pressed 2 additional times for 3 mins @ 330 and still have ink smearing on the shirt. It seems that it wont completely cure and I am afraid to give my customer the shirt for fear of it washing out. I guess something is wrong with the pretreat we did? I'll probably just make another shirt for the customer and test the shirt in the wash to see what happens.

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If you look at ink prices before you buy a printer you can see the cost comparison with other DTG. Ink price is too high on the printer. People complain with low ink price already.
 
Old May 15th, 2014 May 15, 2014 4:29:10 AM -   #56 (permalink)
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1) Bummed to get the first message to clean my lines complete. I will do it sometime later in the week but need to read up on what to actually do. I'm disappointed to lose so much ink. Not something I was aware of before buying this printer.
In my opinion, you should have been informed of this pre-sale. I'd rather have lost a sale than have a surprised and upset customer when they go to do their first ink tube wash.

Here are the facts (I've stated this before, but anyone reading this thread should also know):

1) You must do a White Tube Wash when the system prompts you or you could (and most likely will) void your warranty (at least anything related to ink problems)
2) The occurrence is about once per month
3) The cost is approximately $126
4) Print 50 shirts a month, that's $2.50 additional per shirt, print 500 shirts per month, that's $0.25 additional per shirt.
5) Don't put white ink in the system until you can justify the volume for this expense. Use cleaning cartridges instead.
6) If you must have white ink, you want this printer and you don't have high volume, then price accordingly.
7) Every 1,000 - 1,500 prints you will have to replace the Head Maintenance Set. It's $95, so you will add, at the most, $0.10 per print, but there is no daily maintenance, so it could be considered an offset to the cost of labor.

The printer is quick, clean and high quality. The cost to run it is higher (at least in physical costs) than some of the other printers on the market, but the peace of mind and ease of use is worth quite a bit to some. So it's not for everyone, but armed with the proper information, you can strategize for success.
 
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Default Re: My Epson F2000 Surecolor Journal

Thanks for the Post Jerid, very good stuff as usual.
As a Epson Beta tester do you think you could put a flea in their ear with respect to reducing periodicity of tube flush in their Firmware.Seems a bit of overkill once a month.
Why cant we use a flushing fluid to clean the pipes when it is due instead of ink?
Overall I love the Printer but as like everyone else hate excessive waste particularly at entry level print volumes.

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I know it used to be every 2 weeks for the flush and before release, they bumped it up to 1 month. It's hard to tell where the direction of it will go, and even though I can't speak for Epson, my guess is it's a preventative move, especially since they are actually warranting the print head. If they are continuously testing this printer, which my guess is they are, then eventually, they may move to perform less tube washings. As I said above though, only time will tell.
 
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So Jerid,

Let me see if I understood. For the tube washing, I can use the cleaning cartridge in place of the white ink cartridge?
 
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When it does a tube washing, you do use the cleaning cartridges in place of the white, then switch back to white when it's finished.
 






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