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Old May 5th, 2014 May 5, 2014 3:59:38 PM -   #31 (permalink)
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I like Zorrel shirts.....Sad that they deleted so many colours for 2014.....
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when my printer worked, delta brand was the best and fruit of the loom
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I found the Nano to be a mid range quality (not great but OK), the Gildan Ultra were terrible.

I always tell anyone, start with finding the best quality shirt you can, it makes a big difference and can save you a lot on White ink as well. So even if the shirt is more expensive, the result may be cheaper due to the less white ink required.

In the US the cotton Heritage seemed good, but the best shirts I have ever found were from a company in Denmark (but they are expensive) and have no label other than the size, so no idea where they actually come from. But they are really good.

I did some tests on the F2000 with different black shirts, With CH brand and the Denmark shirts I was able to consistently print black shirts with a 1x 1440x1440 underbase and get really good results.
With a Nano I would need to use 2880x1440 and ink back to around 70-80 % (so using about 50% more ink).
With the Ultra even at 2880x1440 and 100% white (so twice as much) it still looked terrible.

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Good shirts choice is Not just ink saving Pretreat also. Often PT cost has been ignored.
Worse shirts = more PT.
If there are $0.50 or less different stick with better shirts.
Customer satisfaction,
Less hassle,
Save ink and PT. (Could be greater than shirts price difference)
IMO
Ink and PT. Saving should be most important to Epson choosers. While EPSON is highest ink price on the market. Save and SAVE!
$2/shirts per month is ???? You can pay nice car or rent.
Shirts saving < ink & PT saving. Lots of times. Bigger the image is chance is bigger, lot bigger. It could be couple dollars. If happens how can you compete with others while our profit gets smaller and smaller.
Ink & PT mileage will put you in strong or weak position. Pls keep remind this yourself.
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Old May 6th, 2014 May 6, 2014 5:25:42 AM -   #35 (permalink)
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Shirts cost = important, can be up and down.
Ink & PT cost = important, you can make Up and Down yourself. More control in your hand.
Most important is
shirts cost + Ink &PT cost = $$$$ bottom line.
If desert is $20 and must have what good is it main dish is free?
Let's make money in smart way.
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Old May 6th, 2014 May 6, 2014 6:46:20 PM -   #36 (permalink)
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Good shirts choice is Not just ink saving Pretreat also. Often PT cost has been ignored.
Worse shirts = more PT.
If there are $0.50 or less different stick with better shirts.
Customer satisfaction,
Less hassle,
Save ink and PT. (Could be greater than shirts price difference)
IMO
Ink and PT. Saving should be most important to Epson choosers. While EPSON is highest ink price on the market. Save and SAVE!
$2/shirts per month is ???? You can pay nice car or rent.
Shirts saving < ink & PT saving. Lots of times. Bigger the image is chance is bigger, lot bigger. It could be couple dollars. If happens how can you compete with others while our profit gets smaller and smaller.
Ink & PT mileage will put you in strong or weak position. Pls keep remind this yourself.
Cheers! Inks are on me always.
Hmmm.... Maybe I need to call into EZ. I'm still not getting great white opaque prints unless I bump the white ink to 2 passes + 100% density.

I am using Anvil 980. Also I use the Speedtreater and I seem to need more PT now that I have the EPSON vs. the Veloci Jet. I think it may have something to do with not using Epson's pretreat. I cannot imagine why else I would not be getting good bright white. I still see quite of bit of the fibers.
 
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The 980s do tend to take a lot of pretreatment. Of course just give us a call if you have any questions.

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The 980s do tend to take a lot of pretreatment. Of course just give us a call if you have any questions.

-Alex
Thanks Alex, We are just about to launch our brand Black Dog Threads and we expect to receive at least 20 orders a day. We plan using American Apparel 2001's for most of the designs. Can you tell me your experience printing on these types of garments?

Obviously I know AA is great for screen printing and general quality, but I haven't heard too many talk about them for DTG.
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Obviously I know AA is great for screen printing and general quality, but I haven't heard too many talk about them for DTG.
LOL,
I am sorry. I will talk about Epson more.
I am so busy on NeoFlex DTG forum. My name is NeoFather and I have thousands kids to play with there, So much fun! We call NeoFamily.
First step I recommend is try any RIP out there.
Garment Creator is getting better day by day but still it is not up to Par yet. In my book, safe distance is still there. Especially on saving White ink typically 40% plus minus. Using white ink is our bread and butter.
Comparison with white ink print only. If you have precision(0.1g) scale weight ink include shirts. You will find out 40plus minus depends on design.
I think you are the right person who will awaken some Epson users. I wish your best and success.
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Here is few pictures to you to see.
https://www.t-shirtforums.com/epson-s...t312857-4.html
I just cannot understand some Epson buyers. Bought most expensive machine on market but do not pay attention much on Return On Investment. Unless it is just a toy.
Sell high is making money.
Produce low also a same profit and dollars.
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My issue on Epson Garment Creator was (yesterday new version was introduced)
Less white ink(possible to archive) does not give crispy final print after CYMK applied. Whole lot white ink make design looks nice. (Better than most out there, not the Top).
1. Choose good shirts to fit you best.
2. Save Pretreat and Inks. Maximize your profit. Just think this way "I am making $2 more than competitors on every print" "I can sell $2 cheaper at same profit as others will have" if I print 30 shirts/day i will make $21,900 more than others" be positive.
Think this way, you went to work and boss said you salary raised $22,000. Lol.
22000/12=$1825. What can you do with this money Monthly?
Dream Car? Dream House? Dream Vacation?
3. Print best image as you can.
4. Smile and count money.
Cheers! Inks are on me always. Enough posts for today. 3 in a roll. Lol.
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Thanks Alex, We are just about to launch our brand Black Dog Threads and we expect to receive at least 20 orders a day. We plan using American Apparel 2001's for most of the designs. Can you tell me your experience printing on these types of garments?

Obviously I know AA is great for screen printing and general quality, but I haven't heard too many talk about them for DTG.
American Apparel (AA) 2001's print great. Gerald won the DTG Battle Royale using the AA 2001. The best printing shirts that I have seen so far are Cotton Heritage.
 
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While I haven't use them personally, I would expect the American Apparel shirts to print well. We use Cotton Heritage to print our samples.

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I use AA occasionally as yes the print amazing and are a very good feel comfortable tshirt. Only the cost ($5-$6) makes them a bit unpractical for larger orders. We do mostly promotional stuff and not many 1 off's. It's been somewhat difficult to find a perfect tshirt that's in the middle between quality and cost. I'm thinking a good midweight 8-10oz (Canada) ring spun that's not too expensive would be ideal. Some Hanes/Anvil are ok and cost in the $3.00 range. Bella Canvas arent bad either and in the $3.50-$4.00 range. Done with Gildan and FOL. For what we do I guess Im looking for a $3.00 - $3.50 t-shirt that's as good a a AA (if it exists). Thought it might be the Anvil but as it was pointed out in this thread, they seem to need more pretreat. So many more choices for you Americans, I'm a bit jealous.
 
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I use AA occasionally as yes the print amazing and are a very good feel comfortable tshirt. Only the cost ($5-$6) makes them a bit unpractical for larger orders. We do mostly promotional stuff and not many 1 off's. It's been somewhat difficult to find a perfect tshirt that's in the middle between quality and cost. I'm thinking a good midweight 8-10oz (Canada) ring spun that's not too expensive would be ideal. Some Hanes/Anvil are ok and cost in the $3.00 range. Bella Canvas arent bad either and in the $3.50-$4.00 range. Done with Gildan and FOL. For what we do I guess Im looking for a $3.00 - $3.50 t-shirt that's as good a a AA (if it exists). Thought it might be the Anvil but as it was pointed out in this thread, they seem to need more pretreat. So many more choices for you Americans, I'm a bit jealous.
Have you used any of the new FOL HD shirts?....They have both a 8.5 oz and 10.1 oz (Canadian weights)....If you catch them on sale they are about the same as Zorrel or less.....But they nail you on 2XL & up...
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