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Old March 25th, 2014 Mar 25, 2014 12:45:25 PM -   #31 (permalink)
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Also downloading anything off of google needs to be inspected with the naked eye even if searching for large size files. A lot of the times you will find high resolution pics/art and it still looks pixelated because whoever posted it just took a smaller sized file and increased it in size making it look worse. I come across it a lot when looking for stuff to print samples with.
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Old March 25th, 2014 Mar 25, 2014 12:54:12 PM -   #32 (permalink)
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Actually on the newer photoshop I noticed that bicubic automatic upsampling does wonders.
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Actually on the newer photoshop I noticed that bicubic automatic upsampling does wonders.
I'm still stuck on CS4 but it does have those options like bicubic smoother or shaper but to me it only does an ok job. Haven't tried it on the lastest PS version. Even Cadlinks software has a super size image function that does a good job. This will definitely work for jobs where maybe a customer brings you an old photograph of a relative and they want it printed bigger on a shirt. Simply just adding more pixels in PS doesn't technically make it high def. Its like playing a VHS tape on an HD tv.

My point really was that its just best to get a pic/art at a high resolution that has no history of down sampling.
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Actually on the newer photoshop I noticed that bicubic automatic upsampling does wonders.
I use cs6 and find the Bicubic smoother is good for increasing the dpi but TOTALLY agree using you eye, experience and been aware of dimensions is the key
 
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Thread goes Little off the topic which is very normal in TSF but one of differences between two is like this picture.
Just white layer.
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There are no option in GC for underbase opacity/contrast adjustement?
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There are no option in GC for underbase opacity/contrast adjustement?
There are more controls in GC available to enable you to do that, but looking at the images, I can say this is not the newest version of GC. I'm not sure if it's on the market yet, but the newest build will create the white layers like the RIP. It places more contrast and doesn't print black ink, so it integrates the image into the shirt much like a RIP will.

I'd print samples to show, but I'll have to wait. EPSON has our demo printer and is upgrading it.
 
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Newest version 5% default. EPSON's recommendation.
We down load same day Epson upgraded. Cannot afford to be the last.
Also this set up is Garment Creator's best result after CYMK applied.
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Old March 26th, 2014 Mar 26, 2014 12:20:47 PM -   #39 (permalink)
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Newest version 5% default. EPSON's recommendation.
We down load same day Epson upgraded. Cannot afford to be the last.
Also this set up is Garment Creator's best result after CYMK applied.
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What version is it? I'm pretty sure not the newest looking at the white layer.
 
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Jerid,
I will address simple and straight.
If Garment Creator is as good as 3rd party RIP. Why you selling Cadlink?
Do not make sense again.
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Ask Lawson who's RIP they will carry.
They tried all.
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This is very important but no one addressed. I guess not many are concering about Color profiles. How many different Color Profile have been done on software. I am surprised there were no questions on it.
Most important on any RIP or Garment Creator or any are COLOR PROFILES. Controls White ink amount and software understand back ground shirts color to reduce ink usage and soften.(feels). Side effect can be Speed. TSF member should understand more about Importancy of Color Profiles. White and Blank shirts only will never cut. Never.
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Jerid,
I will address simple and straight.
If Garment Creator is as good as 3rd party RIP. Why you selling Cadlink?
Do not make sense again.
I believe Tigers(AA tech team name). They will die before they become second.
Cheers! RIPs are on me always.
I will address this with you one last time and no more. You hear only what you want to you hear and you spin things to only make your product look better than anything else. Again, this is the last time I am discussing this and only for clarification, I will not respond again.

I NEVER stated Garment Creator can do everything a RIP can do. As a matter of fact, I stated the opposite, I did say that Garment Creator does a great job and a RIP can be beneficial as well. The pictures you have shown with the white layer isn't the final product for Garment Creator and I've personally printed shirts that had white layers generated using that appeared more like your print from RIP.

Epson is aware of this need and has built it into the very latest Garment Creator. Does this completely eliminate a RIP? No, but it does narrow the gap tremendously. Some people will not want a RIP, some people will. Some people will not NEED a RIP and some people will.

As for why we chose CadLink? Because there are features with CadLink that can replace the need to even open Photoshop. Increasing the file's resolution while not losing quality and removing various types of backgrounds with little to no effort are a couple of these features. No matter what RIP someone chooses or they simply use Garment Creator, an editing program will need to be opened. Obviously not for every print, but if there needs to be any kind of file manipulation to take place with customers' "Camera Ready" art, CadLink gives you tools to address this.

So once again, for clarification, I never stated for anyone to ever look away from a RIP, I simply acknowledged Epson for what they had accomplished and with how closely Garment Creator handles files similar to how a RIP would. Someone can print amazing results with what comes out of the box. So for me to tell people they absolutely must have a RIP is not only an insult to Epson and their accomplishments, it's also a sale's tactic I don't believe to be true since a good handful of people will be more than pleasantly surprised and happy with Garment Creator since it will fit their needs.
 
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I see your points. But you and I and many more know there are better choice include who witnessed with own eyes. Can you deny 3rd party RIP will bring F2000 to higher scale? Why settle with less while there are better? Invest $20000 should be dandy and classic and doing best. ***I never mean to AA's RIP****RIPs in general***. All RIP company offers free demo trials. Let end users choose. I think it is "good to know info base" to TSF members. There are choices. Especially to who are interest in Epson F2000.
Do you also can deny on more color profiles loaded on software will have high fort? You and me as a resellers. Shouldn't we offer the best to our customers with what we have? Yours can be better than AA's. All depends on end users eyes and minds.
Majority of TSF members are not aware Color Profile's Importancy. Disagree on this too?
Many of them think as CYMK is the "color profile" but you and I know it is much much deeper than that, right?
Rodney recently said "Agree to Disagree". Great sentence. Means a lot and liked it.
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Not mentioned Ink saving and time on 3rd party RIP. 40% plus minus is lots of money to me. Doesn't it to you Jerid?
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