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Old January 30th, 2014 Jan 30, 2014 1:44:17 PM -   #16 (permalink)
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Default Re: NeoRip 2000 vs Garment Creator on Epson DTG

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For all the nerds out there. This was printed on the Epson using GC.
Appx size 16"x18"
Good, very good. Was it none touched by Photoshop or any? "In and Out" like California Hamburger? Or prepped? Well~ Well~ well~. Your reputation and honesty is on line.
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Old January 30th, 2014 Jan 30, 2014 1:45:20 PM -   #17 (permalink)
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I found the image, imported and print. Nothing more, nothing less.
 
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Old January 30th, 2014 Jan 30, 2014 1:49:39 PM -   #18 (permalink)
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And for whatever reason, people like to see watches printed on shirts, so here you go (Roughly 14"x20")! Again using GC with no editing in Photoshop. Hopefully next week I'll post maybe images using Digital Factory.
Hmm -- I can't tell if it's the artwork or the RIP here. Is that stochastic or FDRP diffusion halftoning dot placement?

I'd love to see a CMYK color chart between the two RIPs, along with a CMYK gradient chart. Would be great to also print a standard CMYK color gamut map and compare from input to output.
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Old January 30th, 2014 Jan 30, 2014 1:55:29 PM -   #19 (permalink)
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Hmm -- I can't tell if it's the artwork or the RIP here. Is that stochastic or FDRP diffusion halftoning dot placement?
It's the camera. I have HDR turned on which makes it a sharper image if you hand is shaky. It looks like it didn't handle the pixels well. I just scanned the shirt in with a scanner instead of a photo. This is the actual print, you'll see much smoother tones than the photo. The original image was a brushed brass, so the diagonal lines are supposed to be there.
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Good, very good. Was it none touched by Photoshop or any? "In and Out" like California Hamburger? Or prepped? Well~ Well~ well~. Your reputation and honesty is on line.
We are very intelligent group here.
Cheers! Jerid, I had to address this. Sorry. I am a straight shooter.

I don't think there is any need here to make a negative remark about someone's reputation and honesty. This should be a friendly discussion and different opinions are just that - different opinions. Jerid is doing a service by taking the time and posting what prints look like with the software that comes with the printer. He is a dealer for Epson and is doing what all dealers of the Epson product should be doing - showing the positive points of the Epson product. I would imagine Epson expects that of all their dealers. There really is no reason to imply that because the prints look good something dishonest was done. Lets keep these Forums a friendly welcoming place.
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That's excellent -- can you estimate how big that print area is, and what approximate image pixel count is in that area as well?

Hate to ask so many questions, but the Epson is on my list for this year.

For those unaware, I actually co-wrote my own "RIP" for an Epson a decade ago using ESC/P 2 (raster printer language) and have been really hungry to consider a go at it again. The RIP I co-wrote was an early all-black method for printing transparencies. ESC/P 2 is a very "open" language, and from what I've seen, Epson is STILL using it as their foundation platform for modern printers.

If there's one thing I want, it's a RIP that makes sense. I continue to dream and consider a new platform -- if Epson doesn't do it, I am certain that there are enough people in the DTG market to crowdsource a competitive and open solution.

So that's why I ask these questions, ha.
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It was almost the full platen size in height. It was close to 14"x20" at 150dpi. Epson likes to use 360dpi when printing at full size, but it's difficult to find those kinds of sizes when pulling something as a test sample.
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Yeah, I always try to fix my original image resolution at that magic 360dpi or multiples/divisibles of it. Epson has had that "limitation" forever. I believe our target was always 180dpi if possible.

I'm sure you're already familiar with this, but for those who aren't, try this:

1. Go to Google Image Search ( Google Images ) and type in watch (or whatevr).

2. Click the "Search Tools" drop down, and under the "Size" drop down select 4 MP. Also click the "Usage Rights" drop down and select "labeled for commercial reuse with modification". Note: many items are improperly tagged for commercial reuse, but it's a start.

3. Look for your image.

We regularly find huge images that are actually acceptable for commerical reuse. If I want to use it as a demo, I'll email the original artist just to confirm, but so far I've only found one image that the artist mislabeled.

14" x 20" x 360 dpi = 5040 x 7200 = 36 MP. Google Image Search actually has a 40 MP size selection!
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I did do that and was pulling files over 70MP!
 
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Default Re: NeoRip 2000 vs Garment Creator on Epson DTG

hi peter, NeoFather

nice burger prints ! (from your photobucket)

maybe anyone can share me that pic? or where do i get one?

i want to see how it will result on my DTG, if u dont mind ofc

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nice burger prints ! (from your photobucket)

maybe anyone can share me that pic? or where do i get one?
The most recent burger photo on the t-shirt is a photo I took. It's not available for download
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The most recent burger photo on the t-shirt is a photo I took. It's not available for download
Rodney has Jumbo monster camera. AA print shirts at Long Beach show for him. We cannot share his image with anyone but himself. Excellent photographer.
You can look but cannot download print available file. Photobucket.com ID mp19134
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Reality is, ANY rip that has the ability to produce a controlled gradient white layer will use less white ink.
Cadlink and Iproof has had this feature for years that yield the exact same result.
Garment Creator can also be adjusted to smooth out the white layer heavy spots lowering the total white ink used per image.
It comes down to simple settings with the particular RIP used.
 
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For tests I just put HD before anything I am searching for and of course Large size.

And then just change the 72 dpi to 300 in Photoshop.
 
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For tests I just put HD before anything I am searching for and of course Large size.

And then just change the 72 dpi to 300 in Photoshop.
Changing a photo or piece of art from 72 to 300dpi in Photoshop won't make it any better. In most cases it will get worse. The key is the resolution and the dimensions. Getting a piece of art that was created at a high resolution (personally for me minimum of 2k) and a photo taken with a camera with high mega pixels will really show the capabilities of your printer and rip.
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