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Old January 23rd, 2014 Jan 23, 2014 5:09:56 AM -   #31 (permalink)
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Default Re: Epson set up is~

I've been watching Epson's disclosures for many years on their TFP (thin film piezo) printhead technology changes, and their MEMS (micro-electro-mechanical systems) adaptations to an ever-changing ink tech market.

I think the F2000 printhead probably does look like the X900 printhead because I'll assume that's what they adapted. I would be surprised, though, if the X900 was IN the F2000.

The new "PrecisionCore" printhead is quite different from their previous TFP printheads because the technology (call it the IC portion) appears to be identical across different print technologies, but the physical portion is modified or unique to each application.

For example, the same technology can drive solvent, water or even oil-based ink (yes, oil), but each particular liquid has a different size droplet (picoliters). The F2000 doesn't need 1.5 picoliters per expulsion -- DTG ink is noticeably thicker than paper-directed water-based ink.

I assume the F2000's printhead would print terrible on paper compared to the latest X900 paper-aimed printheads, but that's what should allow Epson to reduce cloggings. If their new printhead has a larger minimum droplet size, it'll allow the printhead more wiggle room for the larger-size ink particles and the suspension liquid they're contained within.
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Old January 23rd, 2014 Jan 23, 2014 5:16:44 AM -   #32 (permalink)
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Old January 23rd, 2014 Jan 23, 2014 6:24:31 AM -   #33 (permalink)
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The drop size used by the Epson head is determined by its controller board and not the actual print head (the print head does have a minimum and maximum, somewhat based on the ink), but the drop size isn't a function of the head, its determined by the board that drives the print head.
This is true for most print heads.


So Yes the same head is and can be used for Dye and Solvent, that's the great advantage of Piezo technology and why it has the variable dot capability.
Epson have in the past made some other small adaptations to the print head such as adding a more robust protection surface, but that's not really the same as a different print head, it would like me saying my Volvo is different to your Volvo car because its got a sun roof.

As far as I am aware the Brother print head is also Peizo.


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Dave I like your Volvo, lol. I love it.
Car have 4 wheels are all same car? Hyundai Look so similar as Mercedes. Are they same?
Russian Migs and American F series are same? Because they both are winged with guns and missiles? How about tank? In these days many are looks so same. Looks is no longer stands for functionality.
Yes, Brother Dtg is piezo but many theirs(fax, little dest top, label, copy etc) are not. Anyway, I am waiting for Epson reply.
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Old January 23rd, 2014 Jan 23, 2014 7:29:23 AM -   #35 (permalink)
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all i can add is what one of the engineers/developers from Epson told us as we were breaking down our booth after the show. he said that the print head in the Epson F2000 was created for that printer only, and it wasn't being used in any other printer. whether they started with another head and modified it, or built it from scratch, i don't know.
 
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Well I wasn't allow to disassemble the printhead assemby at the printers presentation (obiouvsly) but that is what I heard before - this is the same printhead - but the manifold is custom made so it allows circulation through it. That is the only modification.

You guys have your toy so you can check if it's true.

Apart from that once again thank you Dave for a cold technical view on things.
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Old January 23rd, 2014 Jan 23, 2014 7:59:24 PM -   #37 (permalink)
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Brothers print head is Brother. Epson's print head is a special one made for the printer DTG but who knows if it's the same for the stylus pro's.

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Brothers print head is Brother. Epson's print head is a special one made for the printer and DTG. The 4900 heads are totally different.

Here is a view of the F2000 printhead configuration.
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all i can add is what one of the engineers/developers from Epson told us as we were breaking down our booth after the show. he said that the print head in the Epson F2000 was created for that printer only, and it wasn't being used in any other printer. whether they started with another head and modified it, or built it from scratch, i don't know.
What were you displaying at the show?
 
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My bet that only manifold is different.
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4900 heads have 360 nozzles per color
 
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So as this one.
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Yup you are correct sir
 
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Look same but function are so much different. 4900 has many drop size while F2000 does not to achieve lots of ink deposit. 4900 uses 10 channels F2000 uses 8 channels.
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Look same but function are so much different. 4900 has many drop size while F2000 does not to achieve lots of ink deposit. 4900 uses 10 channels F2000 uses 8 channels.
The F2000 has 10 channels, two are not being used.

And the dot volume is down to the controller board of the head, not the head itself, the controller board creates a signal (wave form), which controls the size of the dot.

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