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Old December 3rd, 2013 Dec 3, 2013 4:53:23 AM -   #16 (permalink)
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All epson DTG resellers post is same to Brother resellers before!!!!!!.
There are no such as printer etc........exellent......exellent........no bad thing.....Beside this
introdused T-jet ,was very success.Then DTG kiosk sold many thousands,again then Anajet can sold many thousands too, later now most spreaded printer is neoflex!!!!.
Can did Brother wipeing out others as claimed their resellers?
Can will do this Epson also?
keep in mind that all Epson resellers not bad mouth on Brother!!!!!!.And i wish to DTG,Anajet And some others that DO some easy function and move to nonepson head.you are can match against epson.

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Erka I don't get your point, because it is so hard to read your post.
I have a complete different vision. I will not make friend if I share it and this is only my opinion about brother.

Anyway
A rep received more than $10.000 each time he sold a GT-782.
You can not imagine in my country all the bull**** some were saying just to sell it.
Rep didn't even now the printing industry as well because they were use to sell embroidery machine.

Most of the buyers had no experiences at all in the printing industries and trusted all the rep said.
If those "Richer"users took the time to compare ink & production cost there would not have bought this printer.
Making comparison is time consuming.

Thanks to this forum, thanks to new ink manufacturer that will change the game.

The only think I trust is quality, so time will speak, competition is good for everybody.
 
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Erka I don't get your point, because it is so hard to read your post.
I have a complete different vision. I will not make friend if I share it and this is only my opinion about brother.

Anyway
A rep received more than $10.000 each time he sold a GT-782.
You can not imagine in my country all the bull**** some were saying just to sell it.
Rep didn't even now the printing industry as well because they were use to sell embroidery machine.

Most of the buyers had no experiences at all in the printing industries and trusted all the rep said.
If those "Richer"users took the time to compare ink & production cost there would not have bought this printer.
Making comparison is time consuming.

Thanks to this forum, thanks to new ink manufacturer that will change the game.

The only think I trust is quality, so time will speak, competition is good for everybody.
the '3rd planet from the sun' is along way from earth as the 782 has not been sold for about 2 years
 
 
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that is right, I am outdated, old fashion way

My printer is from 2007 and still compete with the newer model...
 
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Old December 3rd, 2013 Dec 3, 2013 10:08:59 AM -   #20 (permalink)
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A rep received more than $10.000 each time he sold a GT-782.
You can not imagine in my country all the bull**** some were saying just to sell it.
Rep didn't even now the printing industry as well because they were use to sell embroidery machine.
I just love your opinion Thats why so many dealers of printing equipement fail.
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Epson is legit, cheaper ink, cheaper printer, better prints.
The valued words came out from who have Brother and Eson2000.
If tsf have few more of you then game can be very predictable between E & B.
Only cards left will be how service, warranty will carry out.
Ink card can be replaced easily.
It was not take long time for Rome to lost control of the world.
No Forver Champs on history.
Many time underdog wins also. This is why CEOs get paid big bucks.
But, I wish Brother's best too. I have many good fiends there.
Does this game is all or none?
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Old December 3rd, 2013 Dec 3, 2013 12:14:34 PM -   #22 (permalink)
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Too bad this thread has turned into one DTG supporter /dealer vs another.
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Too bad this thread has turned into one DTG supporter /dealer vs another.
I don't see that at all.
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Old December 3rd, 2013 Dec 3, 2013 4:59:17 PM -   #24 (permalink)
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They all suck. Brother is overpriced and epson screwed the aftermarket folks by raising the prices of parts and limiting supply.

Screen print or go with plastisol xfers. Until there is a reliable machine in the small to mid market stay away from dtg. Just my opinion.
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They all suck. Brother is overpriced and epson screwed the aftermarket folks by raising the prices of parts and limiting supply.

Screen print or go with plastisol xfers. Until there is a reliable machine in the small to mid market stay away from dtg. Just my opinion.
DTG are machine you must care about, daily, weekly monthly maintenance.
Even my M&R sportman need daily, weekly monthly maintenance.
Some day it can be frustrating. But that happens.

As a screenprinter, even a small DTG help to cope with some customer demands.

If you are in the DIY, DTG is not that expansive.
You can make a real good printer for less than $2000.
With some research you can even get good ink for far less than dupont price.


This is the future, and from what I see DTG grow faster than I would have tought.
 
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DTG are machine you must care about, daily, weekly monthly maintenance.
Even my M&R sportman need daily, weekly monthly maintenance.
Some day it can be frustrating. But that happens.

As a screenprinter, even a small DTG help to cope with some customer demands.

If you are in the DIY, DTG is not that expansive.
You can make a real good printer for less than $2000.
With some research you can even get good ink for far less than dupont price.


This is the future, and from what I see DTG grow faster than I would have tought.
Good points,
All machinery requires maintenance.
You can make DYI car too at 1/10 of the decent car price but can you plan a cross country trip with kids in?
I foresee DuPont ink price will keep dropping by resellers who are facing Giants to compete with.
What is the DuPont lowest price by today? Lol. I see drops by daily like 2008 stock market. Firebird is helping too.
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Epson is legit, cheaper ink, cheaper printer, better prints.
Man~
EPSON's good beta tester. It is shame Printer has to go back(you said).
Sounds like Some dealer will get your business.
I admire EPSON's way to do business .
Be a little copy cat won't be an bad idea.
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Old December 5th, 2013 Dec 5, 2013 4:06:35 AM -   #28 (permalink)
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Rep didn't even now the printing industry as well because they were use to sell embroidery machine.Most of the buyers had no experiences at all in the printing industries and trusted all the rep said.
ok.I dont sad "NO NEED RIP".

I sad Brother and Epson both as "Quality machine" can print without RIP.Others cant.
And both have simple standart "RIP".it is enough to print from simple logo to very complex full color graphics and some photorealistic images. Thats Ok for most users.

But if you have a "plan" to attend any compettion like TSF battle royal =it recomended to buy RIP.

At last what do you think ,Why big company like Epson dosnt have "superior RIP". Epsons every thing is "perfect" as they claimed. But RIP isnt. Why ?.

All resellers speak about third party RIP. even Scott Freshner rewrite T-RIP's DTG version. And it looks like AA hope own "quality" RIP as weapon.

1.So Thread Starter understand that both brands print quality is same!!!!!. Both have no RIP package .But can print every thing. equal
2.And Brother have upgradable design !!!!!. Brother wins

3.For Speed and Per Print Cost =I think same too.At last Orlando SGIA many people saw Epsons print speed was 4+ minuts for A3 image 80% coverage. Ink cost was on display 4 $+. equal
And printed simple graphic only!!!!. If we talk "quality" here even NeoFlex wins over Epson.
4.Brother have a "chance" to use other cheapper ink..!!!!.
Epson dosnt....Brother advantage.

5.Maintenance . it seems like Epson little superior to brother.
Because it introdused 2 years later .But it has extra cost . Brother has expensive maintenance cost too. Epson advantage

6.warranty.Epson wins as claimed.

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ok.I dont sad "NO NEED RIP".

I sad Brother and Epson both as "Quality machine" can print without RIP.Others cant.
And both have simple standart "RIP".it is enough to print from simple logo to very complex full color graphics and some photorealistic images. Thats Ok for most users.

But if you have a "plan" to attend any compettion like TSF battle royal =it recomended to buy RIP.

At last what do you think ,Why big company like Epson dosnt have "superior RIP". Epsons every thing is "perfect" as they claimed. But RIP isnt. Why ?.

All resellers speak about third party RIP. even Scott Freshner rewrite T-RIP's DTG version. And it looks like AA hope own "quality" RIP as weapon.

1.So Thread Starter understand that both brands print quality is same!!!!!. Both have no RIP package .But can print every thing. equal
2.And Brother have upgradable design !!!!!. Brother wins

3.For Speed and Per Print Cost =I think same too.At last Orlando SGIA many people saw Epsons print speed was 4+ minuts for A3 image 80% coverage. Ink cost was on display 4 $+. equal
And printed simple graphic only!!!!. If we talk "quality" here even NeoFlex wins over Epson.
4.Brother have a "chance" to use other cheapper ink..!!!!.
Epson dosnt....Brother advantage.

5.Maintenance . it seems like Epson little superior to brother.
Because it introdused 2 years later .But it has extra cost . Brother has expensive maintenance cost too. Epson advantage

6.warranty.Epson wins as claimed.
Even risking getting myself into a fan-boy flame-war I will address some points that are not correct.

Point 2: You can Buy the F2000 only in single CMYK option then upgrade to WWCMYK if you want ( no extra cost in heads).

Point 3: A single CMYK Pass is probably faster in the GT3, cost wise although your information is incorrect, a design with about 7Ml of ink will cost you about 4.30$ with the 782 ( that has cheaper inks than the 381) and about 2.40$ in the F2000, and this comes from me printing it.

Point 4: I would love to see what ink is substantially cheaper for the GT3, I've seen you mentioning brands like firebird, that only manufacture inks with viscosity specific for epson printheads. I have yet to see anyone but Brother or Sawgrass producing inks for Brother printheads( which BTW cost 1000+$ each)

Point 5: Here I disagree, maintenance wise I think Epson have gone towards capitalizing on maintenance with consumables, a point that is my only thumbs down, although the prices are not ridiculous, it still more expensive to buy a cleaner roller for the F2000 than it is to clean your wiper.

I would love to provide more info and have intelligent discussions about this printer but the DTG forum sometimes seems to gear people towards the "I bought it, so I'm right" attitude, and intelligent discussion is left at the door. I bought a 782 almost 4 years to date, and even thought there are and where there better printers,as I said many times, not all are made equal, but the strong points in some might fit your needs, research is the word you are looking for.

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Point 2: You can Buy the F2000 only in single CMYK option then upgrade to WWCMYK if you want ( no extra cost in heads).
I was told different by the person who is in charge of this project. I asked this specifically and they told me you cannot convert one to the other. I wouldn't say your point is fact until we get some clarification.

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Point 5: Here I disagree, maintenance wise I think Epson have gone towards capitalizing on maintenance with consumables, a point that is my only thumbs down, although the prices are not ridiculous, it still more expensive to buy a cleaner roller for the F2000 than it is to clean your wiper.
At most, this equates to $0.10 more per print for the entire kit. I would believe this is reasonable for reduced maintenance.
 






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