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Old May 11th, 2014 May 11, 2014 5:03:50 AM -   #76 (permalink)
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You did open possible Argument points and you aimed someone without Named.
Now you want to this disappear. Typical~
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Let me clarify my statement in my original post for you Peter, so that perhaps you can understand that it wasn't some under handed comment.
I don't need to make digs at you, you are not on my radar.

I said
"You also have more control in a RIP on how much white you put under dark areas (and on Color shirts black areas), so in theory you can always save on white with a RIP vs GC, but according to Epson if you don't put white between a color and a pre treatment then it will fade more in when washed. So beware."

In our RIP the Cadlink Digital Factory Apparel we have a (a slider) called underbase strength so that users can control how much white is used in dark areas. This is also covered in our videos.
The Beware was letting customers know that if you reduce the amount of white under dark areas it may affect how well they wash, that's the message I was trying to get across.

FYI. If you don't believe me, go to youtube and search for Digital factory Apparel and watch the
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The underbase strength is covered approx 6mins into the video.

I really hope this puts a line under this area of the discussion.

Now you can add me to my own Beware list that you seem to be keeping for me......LOL

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Old May 13th, 2014 May 13, 2014 3:59:03 AM -   #77 (permalink)
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Heading to EU this afternoon. Portugal-Austria- Germany(FESPA) for 2 weeks.
I hope we will meet there. Beers are on me always.
I know Katari RIP saves INK cost 40-60% on every print without do any tricks on PhotoShop.
I don't know about your RIP but I am sure it is near.
I put my man's honor on line.
There are no one saying this on forum except me.
Cheers! Inks are on me always.
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Old July 28th, 2014 Jul 28, 2014 5:51:58 AM -   #78 (permalink)
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Heading to EU this afternoon. Portugal-Austria- Germany(FESPA) for 2 weeks.
I hope we will meet there. Beers are on me always.
I know Katari RIP saves INK cost 40-60% on every print without do any tricks on PhotoShop.
I don't know about your RIP but I am sure it is near.
I put my man's honor on line.
There are no one saying this on forum except me.
Cheers! Inks are on me always.
I would like to see real data and prints that can be physically tested that show a 60% ink savings. There has to be a point where the low amount of ink will affect wash ability or the image itself. Please provide something that we as a group can see and physically test to prove this claim.
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Old July 28th, 2014 Jul 28, 2014 5:54:51 AM -   #79 (permalink)
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I know Katari RIP saves INK cost 40-60% on every print without do any tricks on PhotoShop.
Also - you claim this on every print. Black shirts and white shirts? I would find it hard to believe such an extraordinary claim as even 40% ink less on a white shirt much less up to 60%.

Please clarify and provide real data to support your claims.
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Old July 28th, 2014 Jul 28, 2014 6:39:02 AM -   #80 (permalink)
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Most ink savings occur when printing on a black shirt and the black of the shirt replaces the black ink. This is readily apparent in a print that has smokes or fades and a lot of black in the art.such as shadows. Same on white using the white of the shirt. The underbase will look like a black and white photo. I have some extreme cases where it reduces ink cost by several 100% over basic GC settings.not to say that with practice u cannot reduce ink cost in GC, just its a lot more difficult and smokes and fades do not measure up.IMHO.
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Old July 28th, 2014 Jul 28, 2014 7:13:13 AM -   #81 (permalink)
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Most ink savings occur when printing on a black shirt and the black of the shirt replaces the black ink. This is readily apparent in a print that has smokes or fades and a lot of black in the art.such as shadows. Same on white using the white of the shirt. The underbase will look like a black and white photo. I have some extreme cases where it reduces ink cost by several 100% over basic GC settings.not to say that with practice u cannot reduce ink cost in GC, just its a lot more difficult and smokes and fades do not measure up.IMHO.
Thank you Randy for replying to this. I understand what you are saying with the fades and lighter ink coverage and can get the same effect and savings using other RIP software. I use both Garment Creator and Imageworx(Cadlink) and have seen the ink savings between these two. It is very easy to do with the built in black ink reduction and other utilities in the Imageworx or other similar custom RIP software.

I am trying to clarify how Peter is claiming to get such a high ink reduction with his RIP software Kothari(NeoRIP).

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I know Katari RIP saves INK cost 40-60% on every print without do any tricks on PhotoShop.
I don't know about your RIP but I am sure it is near.
I put my man's honor on line.
There are no one saying this on forum except me.
60% seems very high and for someone to state and that no one else is talking about ink savings seems a bit out of line to me. I have stated along with others on this forum that you can get ink savings by using a custom RIP. I think it is a forgone conclusion that anyone would agree you can do this over Garment creator with little or no interaction other than using the custom RIP software as a drag and drop program. What I am hoping to get is some real data and physical prints showing the 60% savings and subsequent wash testing of those garments to ensure the print is not adversely affected by this huge reduction in ink use.

BTW - I think I may be reading you wrong on this but your claim of:
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I have some extreme cases where it reduces ink cost by several 100% over basic GC settings.
seems a bit off. If I used 2.3 ml of ink costing $0.87 on a shirt in Garment creator and then saved 100% cost, then I would have used 0 ml of ink at a cost of $0.0. I am sure this is not what you meant and I am reading it wrong though.
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Old July 28th, 2014 Jul 28, 2014 7:49:38 AM -   #82 (permalink)
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Steve u are right. Really talking about going the other direction where ink cost were say .70 cents in Neorip then 3.50 in GC. I find that while there is saving in photos or areas of solid coverage such as spot colors it may not be to an extreme. Like everything else, it depends. I do find on the average that ink savings using a third party rip are significant. It really comes down to how they handle smokes, fades, shadows, skin tones and color profiles that reproduce the correctly designed image saving time by not having to do multiple test prints.
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Steve u are right. Really talking about going the other direction where ink cost were say .70 cents in Neorip then 3.50 in GC. I find that while there is saving in photos or areas of solid coverage such as spot colors it may not be to an extreme. Like everything else, it depends. I do find on the average that ink savings using a third party rip are significant. It really comes down to how they handle smokes, fades, shadows, skin tones and color profiles that reproduce the correctly designed image saving time by not having to do multiple test prints.
That makes more sense on the ink cost
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Old October 11th, 2014 Oct 11, 2014 2:31:35 AM -   #84 (permalink)
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question about garment creator,

i have uploaded 3 images, 1=preview of setting for white ink only. 2=preview of white underbase for dark shirt setting
3= original image (random image from internet)

how can i get the the white layer quality like in image 1, for setting dark shirt.
it seems now i need to do print first with white ink setting , than resend the job as if printing on white shirt.

does garment creator have a setting where the underbase looks like the white ink only setting?
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What you are explaining is currently the correct way to do this. EPSON had a beta of Garment Creator that would do what you are asking but it's my understanding they will not be releasing that one. There were issues with it they did not want to release but are aware of the need for this feature.

The only other way to do it without sending two prints is removing the black in Photoshop.
 
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Thanks. Its needed indeed so I hope Epson will work on this. I find the output of garment creator better than apparel studio from cadlink ( sorry Dave). ( very grainy dot pattern VS smooth colors in garment creator)

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Has any one tried to make their own colour profiles for Garment creator ? I stated but need to try again. But Garment creator can easily import RGB profiles (I have tested some Adobe profiles).
I really love the program and the fact I can print directly from Illustrator on my MAC, but I do have some issues especially with the light green colors. And I DONT want to use RIP I want to get Garment creator to work and find a way eliminate dithered colors....
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how do you print from illustrator to the rip, via the script file? gc_plugin_for_illustrator_v105

ctr+f12 and select script or should i copy the file to the adobe folder. i tried but doesnt work that way
 
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yes, script.... you have to place the script in the right folders, there is one for Photoshop and one for Illustrator....they should NOT be placed in the plug-in folder but script folder, I had it wrong the first time..... when you use it it opens garment creator.....however, I don't think the script work when you print with white ink on dark, there you need to save it as a png file.
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