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Pros/Cons of Epson Surecolor vs Modified Epson Printers

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Default Pros/Cons of Epson Surecolor vs Modified Epson Printers

Just wondering what some pros and cons are of the Epson Surecolor vs. some of the modified epson brands out there. Is the pros mostly easier maintenance and warranty?

Thought since most of the resellers are modifiers they would have some good insight on what advantages/disadvantages the surecolor would have over their own brand of printers.
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Old November 3rd, 2013 Nov 3, 2013 1:45:39 AM -   #2 (permalink)
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Default Re: Pros/Cons of Epson Surecolor vs Modified Epson Printers

Very good question. and point.
We will be more clear when F2000 landed in users hand.
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Default Re: Pros/Cons of Epson Surecolor vs Modified Epson Printers

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Just wondering what some pros and cons are of the Epson Surecolor vs. some of the modified epson brands out there. Is the pros mostly easier maintenance and warranty?

Thought since most of the resellers are modifiers they would have some good insight on what advantages/disadvantages the surecolor would have over their own brand of printers.
That's a tough question since we want to give the Epson product a fair shake....

I'd say that most of the modified systems are further along in features. For example, there isn't an automated height control on the Epson system, but it does have beams to indicate if the shirt is too close and you manually change it. There are other features here and there, but overall, the Epson system is basic.

At the same time, the first impression is it does perform well and quite frankly, the warranty is the absolute best in this industry. They warrant the print head for a full year out of the gate and you can purchase an extended warranty for up to five years. You do not see anything at all like that in the industry. In that, they also offer on site next business day service to address your problems. Epson is truly setting the bar for the bare minimums of dtg.

So what does that mean for companies like ourself who manufacturer a printer that could be deemed competition. We don't consider our printer competing, we know it's not for everyone and the Epson SureColor F2000 isn't either. So our goal is to find out what is the best fit for the end user and make that happen. Outside of that, it pushes us to innovate in a way that rises above the "standard". We can't offer next day, on-site service like Epson can, nor do I believe anyone in our industry can, so we have to think of other ways to make sure the customer is always running, etc. This was always a concern of ours, so when we created the Mod, the printer module is lightweight and can be shipped normal UPS, FedEx and USPS services. If someone wanted a module overnight, they could have it. Of course, there's a cost to that (outside of ground shipping), where Epson includes it in their package.

In the end, it's good for the industry because a name like Epson coming out and drawing a line in the sand and stating, anything less than this is sub-par. It drives innovation, so we know the industry will head in the right direction!
 
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Default Re: Pros/Cons of Epson Surecolor vs Modified Epson Printers

Best beneficiary will be end users. Modify printer price tag will drop crazy. Maybe to the point no one want to modify because there are no money in it. I cannot say it will never come.
Innovation of modify is very limited while some one using EPSON's engine. I think there are few reached where to the limit of modifying. Ink circulation is sold by "package part" in oversea. IMHO is why you filter out something we create during circulation? Rather not create something to filter is much better to me.
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\]Modify printer price tag will drop crazy.
I disagree. Our printer's price is staying right where it is. If we lower it, then we are showing signs of needing to compete with Epson. As a matter of fact, our first discussions were to increase our price to match Epson to give the end user a choice and put them both more on an even footing when it comes to price. We decided to leave it where it was and move on from there and let the individual printers speak for themselves. As I mentioned before, we'll find what fits the customer and it's not based on price.
 
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I disagree. Our printer's price is staying right where it is. If we lower it, then we are showing signs of needing to compete with Epson. As a matter of fact, our first discussions were to increase our price to match Epson to give the end user a choice and put them both more on an even footing when it comes to price. We decided to leave it where it was and move on from there and let the individual printers speak for themselves. As I mentioned before, we'll find what fits the customer and it's not based on price.
Good decision. Was it your call or Mark and Brett? Mine and Justin's call was opposite. I will watch how long you will hold your Fort this way. We will re-discuss when Belquete make move. I hope you will not say "it was not my call".
Maintenance, warranty offer which no DTG mfg can match to Epson but can be washed out with many thousands, quality and good service.
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Default Re: Pros/Cons of Epson Surecolor vs Modified Epson Printers

Peter,

What does your signature mean "EPSON DTG Demo 5(8)locations."? When the printer is released will you have multiple locations that you will have a demo printer at? If so where will all of the locations be?
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Peter,
What does your signature mean "EPSON DTG Demo 5(8)locations."? When the printer is released will you have multiple locations that you will have a demo printer at? If so where will all of the locations be?
Thank you for asking,
Means 5 location done working on 8 but looks like 9 locations.
Philadelphia,
Chicago,
Indianapolis,
Atlanta,
Orlando,
Orange County CA. Irvine. South CA
San Francisco, CA
Nashville, KY
Possibly
Boston, MA.
Dallas, TX
Cheers! Work/Try hard for months. All location will have Both models. CYMK plus W and Dual CYMK. And supplies. Aim is November.
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Default Re: Pros/Cons of Epson Surecolor vs Modified Epson Printers

Demo machines cannot be sold in Six months (Epson policy). AA will use 20 demos and plus Stocks in Nov or early Dec. probably all other dealers too.
Cheers! Fun will starts soon.
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Default Re: Pros/Cons of Epson Surecolor vs Modified Epson Printers

Yeah I think that its too early to say if the Epson machines will be a better fit than the modified DTG. It's probably less errors to troubleshoot and wiring but sensors to detect print head and good ink in the machine maybe biggest difficulty. Really hard to compete with DuPont if you are new to the game. I wonder if ink will have starvation issues in the beginning or if washability will have problems due to pretreat and ink chemistry. I guess we can only watch wait and print until then.
 
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Default Re: Pros/Cons of Epson Surecolor vs Modified Epson Printers

This is and interesting question, sure too soon to answer.

Me I would like a specialist to tell me what is the future of Epson 4800 / 4880 based DTG spare parts.
With the introduction of Surecolor, can we expect a shortage of later model spare parts ?

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Those printers are still manufactured in high quanitities for chinese market.
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This is and interesting question, sure too soon to answer.

Me I would like a specialist to tell me what is the future of Epson 4800 / 4880 based DTG spare parts.
With the introduction of Surecolor, can we expect a shortage of later model spare parts ?

Thank you
Won't be a problem. For many many years.
China, EU keep supplying now. Brand new.
4880 is the best printer Epson ever made.
Search google. 5* while 4900 is 2.5*
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