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Old October 30th, 2013 Oct 30, 2013 4:36:36 PM -   #1 (permalink)
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Default Epson SureColor F2000 Print Times

Production mode is a good quality print, whereas Fast Print Mode is good if you want more of a vintage look. Here are the numbers:

10"x8" Print (No White Ink Print)

CMYK w/White Printer (White Edition)
Fast Print Mode: 1:08
Production Mode: 1:22
High Quality Mode: 2:06

Dual CMYK Printer (Standard Edition)
Production Mode: 0:44
High Quality Mode: 1:09

10"x8" Print (With White Ink Print)

CMYK w/White Printer (White Edition)
Fast Print Mode: 1:41
Production Mode: 2:22
High Quality Mode: 4:07

3.5"x1.5" Print (No White Ink Print)

CMYK w/White Printer (White Edition)
Fast Print Mode: 0:26
Production Mode: 0:29
High Quality Mode: 0:37

Dual CMYK Printer (Standard Edition)
Production Mode: 0:22
High Quality Mode: 0:27

3.5"x1.5" Print (With White Ink Print)

CMYK w/White Printer (White Edition)
Fast Print Mode: 0:41
Production Mode: 0:47
High Quality Mode: 1:14
 
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Default Re: Epson SureColor F2000 Print Times

THe F2000 will be able to print a white shirt (was actually 8x10, so in thoery should be a bit longer than 10x8) in Fast mode in 46 Seconds (with White ink model) using 3rd party RIP (Cadlink).

Havent had a chance to work on the 2xCMYK model so dont know if can offer similar performance improvments, but in theory should be possible.

We havent been able to get any speed improvments on the White ink pass, so its only on the color pass, but can double its print speed.

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Default Re: Epson SureColor F2000 Print Times

David,
You seem to have deepest knowledge on Epson Dtg than anyone out here.
RIP choice of Six dealers will make Printout quality all different way. Not like Epson modify quality. Modify Epson effects by parts modifier use, electronic, machine design, movement mechanism --etc. But when it comes Epson DTG all conditions are same except RIPs.
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Default Re: Epson SureColor F2000 Print Times

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THe F2000 will be able to print a white shirt (was actually 8x10, so in thoery should be a bit longer than 10x8) in Fast mode in 46 Seconds (with White ink model) using 3rd party RIP (Cadlink).

Havent had a chance to work on the 2xCMYK model so dont know if can offer similar performance improvments, but in theory should be possible.

We havent been able to get any speed improvments on the White ink pass, so its only on the color pass, but can double its print speed.

Best regards

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Hi David,

Looking forward to it.
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Default Re: Epson SureColor F2000 Print Times

There are videos now that show the comparable print speed of Digital Factory vs Garment Creator on youtube.

Just search for Digital Factory Apparel and you will see examples for both White and Black shirts from both Digital Factory and Garment Creator in there Fastest modes. All examples are 10x10, same example used for both products.
White Shirts
Garment Creator 1:15
Digital Factory 0:46
Black Shirts
Garment Creator 2:23
Digital Factory 1:54

So not only is the RIP time much faster (and as you can RIP a job / multiple jobs while a job is printing the effective RIP time is 0 in production), the print times are also faster so you can produce more shirts per hour with a RIP.

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Default Re: Epson SureColor F2000 Print Times

David: any estimate on ink consumption between GC and CadLink?
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Default Re: Epson SureColor F2000 Print Times

Its on my "to do" list, I did some tests using our costing system and comparing this to the estimates in Garment Creator and on this basis we were using anything from 25-35% less ink, but to be honest this didn't make a whole lot of sense to me and I even e-mailed Epson Japan on this, all they would say was that our calculations looked correct, but the way that they calculate ink usage in Garment Creator was confidential. So it may be as simple as the contingency for ink wastage (I don't know) that explains the difference.

Anyway you can see the actual amount used when connected to the F2000, connect via TCP/IP and in a browser window enter the IP address of the F2000 and you can see exactly how much ink is used.

So this is something I want to do, so am then comparing like for like.

One of the sites using our software says they have done this and still saw an ink saving, but I am not putting my neck out until I have done this personally.

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Default Re: Epson SureColor F2000 Print Times

I should have said "off the record", ha.

An efficient RIP should show the ability to conserve ink, depending on dot placement ("halftone") method. There are many ways to display a color.

I'm far more curious in profiling than anything else. When taking into account garment color + white underbase + CMYK + highlight, there are so many different ways to mimic a desired color that ink conservation is a definite possibility.

Also, less ink = better hand feel, and I would guess better washability (although how does one properly clinically test and prove that).
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Default Re: Epson SureColor F2000 Print Times

There are a lot of ways to save ink...
On the CMYK layer you can save ink but playing with the black generation, but as the amount of CMYK going down Is relatively small the main savings are with the white.

While I agree that using the shirt (which is what we try and do) as much as possible can save you ink, I think the biggest factor to save ink is in good consistent pre treatment and your environment.

I have seen people printing on the F2000 at 2880x1440 and not inking back, got a great white, but if I did that I would have a swimming pool on the shirt.
It could have been because there was very low humidity, but if you don't the correct amount of pre treatment and use a good shirt then you need more white ink.

A good quality shirt will cost 30-60cents more than a cheaper brand, but in my experience a good shirt gives you a much better white with less ink and will probably pay for the difference just in white ink saving.

So while I don't disagree that a RIP could save you money on ink, I always recommend that they start by not trying to save money on shirts or pre treatment as it ends up costing you more.
The RIP should be optimised out of the box for ink usage, but not at the expense of accurate colors, at least that is our aim.

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Default Re: Epson SureColor F2000 Print Times

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There are a lot of ways to save ink...
On the CMYK layer you can save ink but playing with the black generation, but as the amount of CMYK going down Is relatively small the main savings are with the white.

While I agree that using the shirt (which is what we try and do) as much as possible can save you ink, I think the biggest factor to save ink is in good consistent pre treatment and your environment.

I have seen people printing on the F2000 at 2880x1440 and not inking back, got a great white, but if I did that I would have a swimming pool on the shirt.
It could have been because there was very low humidity, but if you don't the correct amount of pre treatment and use a good shirt then you need more white ink.

A good quality shirt will cost 30-60cents more than a cheaper brand, but in my experience a good shirt gives you a much better white with less ink and will probably pay for the difference just in white ink saving.

So while I don't disagree that a RIP could save you money on ink, I always recommend that they start by not trying to save money on shirts or pre treatment as it ends up costing you more.
The RIP should be optimised out of the box for ink usage, but not at the expense of accurate colors, at least that is our aim.

Best regards

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David makes some very good points - definitely with regards to shirt quality and proper pretreatment lay down. The greatest savings and efficiencies come from getting consistent results. One of the reasons we are strong proponents of automatic pretreating to eliminate one variable in the print process.
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