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Setting Up the Epson SureColor F2000

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Old November 3rd, 2013 Nov 3, 2013 10:00:38 AM -   #46 (permalink)
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The benefit of the CMYK model is that it is fast. This alone will make it desirable to Screen printers and companies that already have a printer for W.
Agreed. The reality is, no matter which way you look at it, time is money. If you sell a white shirt for $15 and you get twice the output, you make twice the profit in the same amount of time (or thereabouts). Work smarter, not harder.
 
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Agreed. The reality is, no matter which way you look at it, time is money. If you sell a white shirt for $15 and you get twice the output, you make twice the profit in the same amount of time (or thereabouts). Work smarter, not harder.
Jerid,
Most of all DTg printers(95% plus) do not have enough job for one machine with all white and dark combined is the reality. If someone can run 4 hour plus will be a fantastic business. You sounds like there are unlimited jobs are waiting out there. Also, I cannot agree on "work smarter, not harder" too.
I rather see work Hard with wisdom. IMHO.
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Not sure about your 95% scenario, but it may be accurate, I'd need to see studies on that. Either way, the majority of companies would use the systems with white ink, but when Brother only had the 541, 100% of their customers had a printer that did only CMYK and they sold a very large number of printers. So the work is out there if you focus on it.
 
 
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Not sure about your 95% scenario, but it may be accurate, I'd need to see studies on that. Either way, the majority of companies would use the systems with white ink, but when Brother only had the 541, 100% of their customers had a printer that did only CMYK and they sold a very large number of printers. So the work is out there if you focus on it.
Not my favorite thing is debate with you.
Did you ever consider how many Brother 541 owners said NO to customers?
Do you know how painful it was when Printer said to customer "No, I cannot print dark?"
Do you know how many time they wished they had white ink?
Do you know how hard all DTGers are working so hard but cannot find enough job? While you said "There are JOBS" easily.
You are using word "large" again. What is large? While you did not reply on my question "what is Rich?". As same as "mine is thick and Long" again?
Agree on "Job is out there" is so sure.
Why don't you find some for yourself? I am sure you can do better than what you doing now if there are tons of job waiting for you. You can find while others can't? You can focus while others don't know? Talk is easy, I can play golf by talk single all day long. I will be a MVP in football by talk.
Let's talk realism, let talk Hope, Plan and Sweats. Not how to be smart.
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Peter, I'm not debating you, I'm simply giving facts. Brother sold quite a few printers when they didn't offer white ink. There is no dispute in that. It's not a debate, I was simply pointing out a fact. I started this thread to give people an idea of what to expect when purchasing the Epson, not to debate with other resellers the merits of the industry. The discussion is going in a great direction, let's not cloud it up by mincing words.
 
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My saying is start with CYMK and White no matter what on any printer first. Later they should justify their re-investment on dual CYMK. I think this is correct way and only way unless they have established business. Unfortunately, it is not realism. Majority are starters here. I want them face realism not just show them Dream Land.
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Old November 3rd, 2013 Nov 3, 2013 12:37:38 PM -   #52 (permalink)
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Everyone here, in reality, is actually in agreement on the two individual Epson F2000 models. If you are entering into the direct to garment business you need to look at it as a business. As such you need to do your market research and have a business plan to decide where your specific market focus will be. Only then should you make a decision as to which model fills your specific business goals.

Epson evidently determined, after I am sure doing their own market research, that there is a demand in the marketplace for having these 2 separate models. Time will tell the percentage of sales for each model. It is incumbent on the individual buyers of the printers to make a careful, educated, business choice.
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The versacam with white cannot be swapped over. The difference is, ecosolvent ink is terrible and can take months to flush out and not contaminate the ink. This ink doesn't do that, so as you suspect, I'd be inclined to believe it's a tech support issue. It is a question I'll address.
My roland reseller does an unofficial versacamm white-to-double-cmyk conversion
He says he will change all the lines + change the firmware
Said that, i agree that ecosolvent ink takes ages to flush out, i noticed that when a broken damper mixed magenta in the yellow line (luckily i was under warranty)
 
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I'm sure Epson will have some type of cleaning cartridges available so if you don't want to use white just plug them in and use cmyk. If they don't have right away they will probably offer it. Better to get a white with then without. Depends on business model too. You can force people to only buy light garments and that biz model works depending on location
 
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Cleaning cartridges are available for purchase for the Epson F2000.
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Well there you go. Says it all right there. Makes a buyers decision easier
 
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Yeah why would you even touch it with the warranty and service plan they offer? It breaks..call a tech on site.

I wonder if Epson will offer a conversion kit in the future to those customers who bought a cmyk only machine. With enough demand I bet it would be taken into consideration but I'm sure it will be years from now before anything would happen.
I don't like to be assist for such simple things.
At least now I start to understand what is really the epson surecolor.

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I really don't think they will be able to have a tech come out on site. This is a huge expense
 
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I really don't think they will be able to have a tech come out on site. This is a huge expense
They do on-site support for a $400 Epson Workforce WP-4545, why they shouldn't for a $20000 professional DTG printer?
 
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I'm sure they do it but at what cost
 






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