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Old August 22nd, 2013 Aug 22, 2013 2:03:01 PM -   #1 (permalink)
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I received a e-mail from Impressions showing Epson hitting the DTG market.
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So what does this mean for Epson based DTG printers? Will Epson do what business normally do is to shut competitors out of the market especially if the machine proves to be popular.

So any one know about the specs yet?
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Default Re: Epson DTG printer hits the market and what does it mean for Epson based printers?

IDK but Sawgrass got in with them. their sulimation printer supposed to be out soon. Ouch

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IDK but Sawgrass got in with them. their sulimation printer supposed to be out soon. Ouch

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Yeah I have been holding off on buying the sublimation printer for this very reason but I would have waited if I knew they would develop a DTG.
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Default Re: Epson DTG printer hits the market and what does it mean for Epson based printers?

This is very interesting...printer manufacturers make their money in ink and other consumables. I wonder if they will be releasing their own ink along with the printer. I'm interested in seeing their solution for white ink too.
 
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Default Re: Epson DTG printer hits the market and what does it mean for Epson based printers?

Epson Sublimation printer is actualy in the market for some time now.
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Epson should give it away for $49 and sell $500 ink carts.

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Epson should give it away for $49 and sell $500 ink carts.
I doubt it will be like that this time. Sublimation and solvent wide format printers that epson sells cost a bit more that competitors and the inks is similar priced.

On the proffesional printing market Epson Epson have to adapt, because the policy to sell cheap printers and expensive inks will not work here.
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I doubt it will be like that this time. Sublimation and solvent wide format printers that epson sells cost a bit more that competitors and the inks is similar priced.

On the proffesional printing market Epson Epson have to adapt, because the policy to sell cheap printers and expensive inks will not work here.
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I slightly have different opinion than you addressed here. Brother is very successful with highest priced ink than others is the major reason.

Quality of print output will be the first key. Useless if not.
2nd Key is Service and warranty.
3rd Key is Ink price. I assume Epson will never Top the Brother's price Tag. I almost can bet on this.
4th key is advertising.
5th key is hardware price.
Epson has more funds available than all DTG people put together in the world. What does it means? A: We will see major shuffles.
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Hopefully it drives prices down

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It will be the next YuDu. Lol. made for the housewife.

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Default Re: Epson DTG printer hits the market and what does it mean for Epson based printers?

My guess is that Epson will deliver something awesome.... They ARE the premier digital printing experts in the world, after all! It is not an accident that the vast majority of all DTG printers are based directly on their technology - the biggest drawback has been lack of control over the actual firmware that controls the printer.... With Epson as the source, they have more control over their hardware than anyone.

My question is whether or not they will release a white ink that requires pretreatment.... I know it's a fantasy wish at this point, but I feel as though they are quite cautious with how they release products to market and I would assume they see pretreatment as a huge stopping point for many people; they want this thing to work for everyone.

Of course, the 4900 was a huge bomb so it's safe to say that even the biggest companies out there sometimes make critical mis-steps from time to time.
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Default Re: Epson DTG printer hits the market and what does it mean for Epson based printers?

Since we still have a a couple of weeks before it is released for viewing (no clue when it will be ready for sale) and others are making hypotheticals, I will join in as well. My experience is all properly working dtg printers outperform 90%+ of screen printers when it comes to complicated artwork. Since screen printing is still the primary decorating technique, that is the benchmark for the majority of customers. Although I think we should continue to push the quality factor with better inks and RIP/ICC profiles, I don't think this is the biggest issue that Epson should have been focused on.

If Epson truly spent the last 3 years researching this segment of the industry, then I hope they realized the biggest issues are making the pretreating process much easier (ideally removing it, but not sure if that is possible) and creating a printer that is white ink profitable. There are a ton of posts on the forum where people have removed the white ink from their printers because one or both of these two items don't work with their business model. In my opinion, if they are going to push this segment of the market forward they have to do more on these two items or it will be just be another dtg printer to choose from in what some people are calling a saturated marketplace when you count all the new and used dtg printers out there.

Based on their previous history, Epson has typically not be a low cost leader for the equipment or printers. This could be different for this one though. It will be interesting to see what printer / print head / ink / pretreatment / RIP combination Epson has chosen to go with.

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My question is whether or not they will release a white ink that requires pretreatment.... I know it's a fantasy wish at this point, but I feel as though they are quite cautious with how they release products to market and I would assume they see pretreatment as a huge stopping point for many people; they want this thing to work for everyone.
Funny that you were typing your post at the same time I was. I agree, the pretreatment process needs to simplified or removed completely.

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Funny that you were typing your post at the same time I was. I agree, the pretreatment process needs to simplified or removed completely.

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You know we're both on the same page with most issues! I agree with everything you said.

IF they hope to escape the pretreatment completely, they will need to consider a much bigger print head to push an ink with a considerably higher viscosity..... The same 'ol DX5 (although quite suitable to our current setup) isn't gonna cut it in this regard.

Can't wait to find out what they've got up their sleeve! It may end up being yet another DTG printer, OR it could potentially become THE DTG printer, if they took the right steps in research and development....
 
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