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Old August 24th, 2013 Aug 24, 2013 7:30:33 PM -   #16 (permalink)
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You make a valid point regarding pretreat it should be easier or should be removed entirely. But, you have to remember that the pretreat process has been a success for several people. Many have perfected the process either by hand or Wagner or pump spray. The bigger issue is the white ink process, this I feel is more important than the pretreat process (because I have perfected the process) We all know white ink is something that everyone struggles with usually on a daily basis no matter the form it comes in (bag, cart or bottles). I have praised white ink bags before but that's because it was 110% better than bottles, but they still required a shake every day.

I feel the white ink application is something I would be questioning Epson.
 
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Unwinding at the shop and enjoying a little.... Er, relaxing... while I organize and clean. As I walk around and look at the various printers and equipment sitting around in here (t-shirt and cell phone printers, etc, almost all Epson based), all I can think is that the industry still has a long way to go, and this announcement from Epson is at least new fodder for our imaginations! . We'll see how it pans out...

And I agree that the white ink still has a ways to go, but I feel we have "perfected" pretreatment in my shop as well, as far as the chemistry and technology will currently allow, and yet there are still inherent issues - in particular, the washability is still not up to a satisfactory level, even when all other variables are controlled. I know this comes down to the pretreatment / ink chemistry combo, because I still have Kornit prints from years ago that still hold strong on the shirt (they fade and even crack over time, but the best Dupont prints I have ever seem still don't quite match up) - if Epson goes a different direction, even if it means a different ink / pretreat chemistry rather than an "ink only" solution, I would be very interested to see how it performs in wash tests.
 
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It will be the next YuDu. Lol. made for the housewife.

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Of course, the 4900 was a huge bomb so it's safe to say that even the biggest companies out there sometimes make critical mis-steps from time to time.
Interesting view.
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Old August 24th, 2013 Aug 24, 2013 8:24:49 PM -   #22 (permalink)
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What's wrong with housewife?
AA have so many housewife set ups and doing very well.
Cheers! To the Housewives.
I was just kidding. Not about the YuDu. I get many people that buy them need help setting them up.
Hope the Epson govrs AJ a run for the money. Game changer for the print world.

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Interesting view.
As with many of my opinions, it is based more on other people's feedback rather than my own hands-on experience.

Print heads failing:
http://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/42063043

2 out of 5 stars on Amazon:
http://www.amazon.com/Epson-Stylus-4...ews/B004FT0UN4

No doubt it has worked well for some people, and I know that all products get the occasional bad review... I'm quite sure they will find a use for it, however - they are not the type of company who lets new technology go to waste. . They repurpose their print heads all the time...

From what I remember, this printer required an even less viscous ink than their other models - even if someone came up with a thinner ink, I'd seriously wonder how any form of thinner white ink would work, given the issues with the current options.

Just my thoughts! Take it for what it's worth...
 
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Very interesting indeed, can't wait to see what they have come up with.

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Since we still have a a couple of weeks before it is released for viewing (no clue when it will be ready for sale) and others are making hypotheticals, I will join in as well. My experience is all properly working dtg printers outperform 90%+ of screen printers when it comes to complicated artwork. Since screen printing is still the primary decorating technique, that is the benchmark for the majority of customers. Although I think we should continue to push the quality factor with better inks and RIP/ICC profiles, I don't think this is the biggest issue that Epson should have been focused on.

If Epson truly spent the last 3 years researching this segment of the industry, then I hope they realized the biggest issues are making the pretreating process much easier (ideally removing it, but not sure if that is possible) and creating a printer that is white ink profitable. There are a ton of posts on the forum where people have removed the white ink from their printers because one or both of these two items don't work with their business model. In my opinion, if they are going to push this segment of the market forward they have to do more on these two items or it will be just be another dtg printer to choose from in what some people are calling a saturated marketplace when you count all the new and used dtg printers out there.

Based on their previous history, Epson has typically not be a low cost leader for the equipment or printers. This could be different for this one though. It will be interesting to see what printer / print head / ink / pretreatment / RIP combination Epson has chosen to go with.
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It reminds me that Brother had chains around Printer with body guards stand by at show booth. That was very funny and hit.
After that teasing Brother to end user supply was available 3-4 months later.
My guess is Epson is doing same thing as Brother did it. Copy cat? Lol.
Epson came this far means they won't stop here. They will find the end either win or lose. I am pretty sure they did not go after Epson modifiers.
Epson is too big to do that. Then what market are they aiming? That's the question.
I think they truly spend more than 3 years for Dtg. I heard this will happen more than 3yrs ago at Long Beach show.
Direct challenge will be Brother, Anajet and Kornit(far as I can see). Are they really that big for them to go after? But who knows but them. IMHO.
Does DTG market saturated? I don't see this but growing. IMHO
We shall see all pictures soon.
Critical date will be SGIA or maybe ISS Long Beach? IMHO
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Default Re: Epson DTG printer hits the market and what does it mean for Epson based printers?

My uneducated guess is the price could be pretty low.

If they can sell a 44" 4 color sublimation printer for $8,500 and their 64" 10 color solvent printer is $25,995 why wouldn't their DTG printer be in this range?

I would be more surprised by a $30,000 price tag than a $10,000 price tag. If it's CMYK only it could be very cheap.

Just my 2 cents..
 
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Old August 24th, 2013 Aug 24, 2013 10:52:31 PM -   #27 (permalink)
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We just replaced our dtg printer with a versacamm. While we liked the dtg it wasn't profitable either white ink. The lights were ok though.
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just sent money for dtg printer, now I read this and wondering if I should have waited
 
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There is always something new just around the corner. If you wait you will have the latest for today but not for the next.
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just sent money for dtg printer, now I read this and wondering if I should have waited
This is what Epson is playing. Froze market and teases and foreplays but no actions until ready. As Justin W addressed about 4900 vs 4880. We don't know good or bad until last piece of cover is off.
When anyone launch new product I never saw there aren't any bugs.
Facts are
1. They are here.
2. So many variables will apply between "The Printer or one of DTGs"
3. Need 3-5 months to meet end users. Need production time and bug killing time.
4. Tease will be continued as my first girlfriend.
Etc,
5. Few of their OEMs are steer their direction to Richo Printhead system. Mimaki and Roland are.(?). As same as in DTG world. Need more market share???

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