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Old August 19th, 2009 Aug 19, 2009 10:44:28 AM -   #1 (permalink)
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Default Want to start dye sub but...

I have to ask some questions and would appreicate any feedback you could offer.

1. Do any of you run your dye sub business at home without on-line sales? If so, how's business?

2. Do you have a lot of orders, inquiries from businesses that want the dry-fit type shirts?

3. How much of an issue are the papermarks/heat press marks on the finished garments?

4. How would you (personally) rate the profit margin on dye-sub orders?

5. I saw the Ricoh GX7000 at the Schaumburg, IL show last weekend and was quite impressed by the machine...not the rep assisting me though. It uses cartridges instead of bulk ink so how do you go about pricing out a design when there isn't a concrete way of knowing how much your ink is costing you per shirt? Do you go by size of the design and ballpark it??

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Default Re: Want to start dye sub but...

Here are my responses to your questions

1. Do any of you run your dye sub business at home without on-line sales? If so, how's business?
I do not run business from home, but have a production site...not a retail store. I do not rely on internet for sublimation...started this 8 years ago...so business must be okay...I am not broke yet

2. Do you have a lot of orders, inquiries from businesses that want the dry-fit type shirts?
NO
3. How much of an issue are the papermarks/heat press marks on the finished garments?
Not an issue is press correctly using pads
4. How would you (personally) rate the profit margin on dye-sub orders? Same as any product..if I can't double my cost I don't do it

5. I saw the Ricoh GX7000 at the Schaumburg, IL show last weekend and was quite impressed by the machine...not the rep assisting me though. It uses cartridges instead of bulk ink so how do you go about pricing out a design when there isn't a concrete way of knowing how much your ink is costing you per shirt? Do you go by size of the design and ballpark it??
I use the GX7000 and like it much better than the Epsons. Like with the Epsons there is no way to see how much ink you are using...so 'guesstimate'
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Default Re: Want to start dye sub but...

I would suggest having a solid niche already carved out and ready to market to before ever stepping into this market. Due to the very low capital required to start dye sub the market is flooded with people who have heard the pitch about making a killing selling to churches, schools, etc. It is just not realistic.

If you have an expertise in a given hobby, association, business, etc. that you can draw upon then you have a chance. We sell our expertise in the markets we serve and we sell design work. The fact that it happens to be on fabric is secondary.

Personally I think someone who does not have a defined market and little or no design skills has little chance surviving this market.
 
 
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I would suggest having a solid niche already carved out and ready to market to before ever stepping into this market. Due to the very low capital required to start dye sub the market is flooded with people who have heard the pitch about making a killing selling to churches, schools, etc. It is just not realistic.

If you have an expertise in a given hobby, association, business, etc. that you can draw upon then you have a chance. We sell our expertise in the markets we serve and we sell design work. The fact that it happens to be on fabric is secondary.

Personally I think someone who does not have a defined market and little or no design skills has little chance surviving this market.
Thank you for the response. I do own a screen printing shop and was looking to add dye-sub to my business. Where I am from, my competition either does not have/do dye-sub or does not market it. I figured this to be a nice add on to my business especially with the low investment to start. I have just below average art skills but I have seen some incredible software at a recent show that is pretty much graphics for dummies. I might be on the border of this classification
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Default Re: Want to start dye sub but...

Jason,
You can run a shop out of your home if necessary. I've run a full time embroidery, printing shop for years and seldom have down time. The biggest thing is to have a niche or outlet. I'd say online sales are not going to make the house payment for you Since you already do screen printing, it shouldn't be a problem. I work with screen printers in my area to supply single or small orders for them. Profit, like anything else, is how good you are at marketing. $35 bucks for a t, 15 for a cup or mousepad is a good profit for me. I do a lot of tile murals for weddings and baby pictures. I run a 4800 hybrid system and really can't kick on that at all. I've heard the new richoh's are better if you don't print often though. Some hate chromoblast, but I like it, as do my customers. I also use dye sub for mousepads , and although I've read that some think it is a waste, my customers prefer it. You can add a lot(clothing, cups, jewelry, metal for custom cars, tiles, etc) by having a dye sub setup. All in all, it added a lot to my bottom line and I've never regretted it. As mentioned above, there are no paper marks to worry about either.
 
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