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[B]All in all: I am NOT saying that a cheap printer + cheap ink is a totally bad solution, [/QUOTE]

Epson is not a "cheap" printer...nor is Cobra a "cheap" ink....they are reasonably priced vs those heavily overpriced, in my opinion of course. . . Sawgrass and Ricoh sublimation products. Unless your referring to those no brand Chinese options on Ebay, if so my apologies.

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[LIST][*]Cleaning the contacts was the first thing I tried. I am an electrical engineer; used professional CRC QD Electronic Cleaner instead of pencil eraser - Didn't help.
[*]Then wrote to Richard asking his advice. He just suggested pulling out the cartridge, waiting for 5 minutes and reinstalling it. - Didn't help.[*]When I replied that it didn't work, he never even answered.[*]Then I ordered new sets of cartridges from them. - That didn't help either.

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Their ultimate answer after you try all their "tricks" is it must be the printer. Replace the printer. Gotten that several times from both Brad and Richard even after I replaced it and the CIS faulted within the first week.

And jeez...I haven't read this thread all weekend. Things got sideways quick!
 
 
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Their ultimate answer after you try all their "tricks" is it must be the printer. Replace the printer. Gotten that several times from both Brad and Richard even after I replaced it and the CIS faulted within the first week.
But the OP didn't even put the original carts back in to see if it was printer or not. Also buying new carts won't work if you buy the wrong ones...the chips do not cross between say the 1430 and 7110...I bought a set of carts and the printer would not recognize them...thought I tried everything. When I sent photos to Richard he said he could plainly see my issue.....I purchased the wrong cartridges for my machine he sent me out the correct ones and I was up and running....I go back to my original statement...operator head space...yes I get affected withit also
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But the OP didn't even put the original carts back in to see if it was printer or not. Also buying new carts won't work if you buy the wrong ones...the chips do not cross between say the 1430 and 7110...I bought a set of carts and the printer would not recognize them...thought I tried everything. When I sent photos to Richard he said he could plainly see my issue.....I purchased the wrong cartridges for my machine he sent me out the correct ones and I was up and running....I go back to my original statement...operator head space...yes I get affected withit also
And the gentleman claiming to be an Electrical Engineer didn't put in the OEM carts either.
 
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And the gentleman claiming to be an Electrical Engineer didn't put in the OEM carts either.
Mike, ..inside joke here, my father was an electrical engineer for the Army working on missile guidance systems for 47 years....he would have put the original carts back in as a matter of practical exercise...process of elimination...it's so simple. Not rocket science.....
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But the OP didn't even put the original carts back in to see if it was printer or not. Also buying new carts won't work if you buy the wrong ones...the chips do not cross between say the 1430 and 7110...I bought a set of carts and the printer would not recognize them...thought I tried everything. When I sent photos to Richard he said he could plainly see my issue.....I purchased the wrong cartridges for my machine he sent me out the correct ones and I was up and running....I go back to my original statement...operator head space...yes I get affected withit also
Maybe I am missing something but I do not see anything to indicate the OP didn't ever try putting the OEM cartridges back in the printer and in fact never see another post from the OP.

Maybe he got what he needed or maybe he took the high road while a never ending one-upsmanship thread took ever. Seems to always have one common factor when this occurs.
 
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Maybe I am missing something but I do not see anything to indicate the OP didn't ever try putting the OEM cartridges back in the printer and in fact never see another post from the OP.

Maybe he got what he needed or maybe he took the high road while a never ending one-upsmanship thread took ever. Seems to always have one common factor when this occurs.

My bad, David never said he did try to use the original carts.....which is a pretty easy way to resolve the printer able to recognize carts. the reply was for Api.....who stated he didn't try them.
 
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Maybe I am missing something but I do not see anything to indicate the OP didn't ever try putting the OEM cartridges back in the printer and in fact never see another post from the OP.

Maybe he got what he needed or maybe he took the high road while a never ending one-upsmanship thread took ever. Seems to always have one common factor when this occurs.
I guess it depends if OP means "Original Poster" or "Other Poster". I usually refer to the OP as the Original. I think the OP only made one post.

Regarding "one-upsmanship" you mean like the old days when I used to go at it with Riderz Ready? Just Kidding


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In my opinion, the real issue is the "war" between EPSON and the sublimation ink user. EPSON sells the printer for peanuts, hoping that they will make money on the EPSON ink. The "clever" customer however takes advantage of the low price of the printer and uses cheap, non-EPSON sublimation ink. EPSON fights back!

The result: "Ink cartridge is not recognized", "Warranty is voided", etc.

Some people are lucky with the "work around" others are not. The bottom line: The "war" between the printer manufacturer and the customer makes the relationship difficult and "unhealthy". Win-win would be much better but - of course - more expensive.

Nonetheless, serious business models cannot afford this endless fight and this unreliability. Those are the folks, who write this frustrated "enough is enough" type of posts.

I was lucky enough changing my mindset, and upgraded to a problem-free system. I practically jumped out from a 15 years old Yugo to a new BMW more than a year ago. No issues since then and the extra investment has been returned multiple times.

Of course, I understand the fact that some business models need to take advantage of the cheap printer with cheap ink, and if they are also lucky in the fight with EPSON, they made a really good deal. Unfortunately however, the intentionally placed software "landmines" (by EPSON) in the printer's firmware, makes the whole printing process unreliable. Some people can live with that, others just cannot...
This is what I agree with. I make that 60K + in sales every year. My customers pay for the cost of the ink. If I have an unrealiable system and it won't work do to the fact that I am using a printer in a way that the manufacturer is doing everything they can to keep me from doing it and I am going through a company that makes a 'work around" that sometimes works, that causes me to have to shut down & fix it and stop making money.

Some egomaniacs here like to infer that we are to stupid to fix a printer. I figure I am too smart to waste my time when I can be making product. That is what butters my bread and a company that has top notch customer service and tech support is the way I will go. I easily go through 16 to 20 carts during high season and all the while put the profit in my personal bank account, so no complains from me with SG ink system.
 
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Beerrubio's post demonstrates how there are two totally different types of posters. You have a group and clearly the majority that do not count on any revenue from dye sub to feed their family and another smaller group that depends on dye sub as their main source of income.

The majority of people doing this for some extra cash most likely do not count their time as an expense and are not running anything close to capacity thus if their printer is down they are not really losing anything. On the flip side you have people who simply cannot afford to be down even a single day without significant impact on their business. Kind of like comparing this to a person who tinkers on cars in their garage versus those that simply take it to the dealer for maintenance/repairs.

One thing I think everyone can agree on is CIS are not worth the massive headaches they cause for the vast majority of users. Remember my Dad always telling me do not spend $40 trying to save $20 which is exactly what most of us have experienced in buying a CIS. Looking to save a few bucks on ink while spending more in ink lost trying to make it work day to day.
 
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Beerrubio's post demonstrates how there are two totally different types of posters. You have a group and clearly the majority that do not count on any revenue from dye sub to feed their family and another smaller group that depends on dye sub as their main source of income.

The majority of people doing this for some extra cash most likely do not count their time as an expense and are not running anything close to capacity thus if their printer is down they are not really losing anything. On the flip side you have people who simply cannot afford to be down even a single day without significant impact on their business. Kind of like comparing this to a person who tinkers on cars in their garage versus those that simply take it to the dealer for maintenance/repairs.

One thing I think everyone can agree on is CIS are not worth the massive headaches they cause for the vast majority of users. Remember my Dad always telling me do not spend $40 trying to save $20 which is exactly what most of us have experienced in buying a CIS. Looking to save a few bucks on ink while spending more in ink lost trying to make it work day to day.
This is largely true. I'm somewhere in between those 2 you mention. For me it's a good way for money on the side, I have no risk. For someone looking for a full time income very few if any can do it with strictly a small format Epson and sublimating. I know a couple of people doing it but that is the exception and not the rule.

I can afford to be without a printer for a few days, but I don't have to be. At $150 a printer it's easy to have more than 1 and often I run both as the demand is there. I always have back up and I could run a whole army of these if I needed to scale.

CIS is the reason for most of these folks woes. If you need the amount of ink that a CIS offers then looking at the lowest cost Epson solution is probably not a good choice.

There are more professional Epson models in the 13 inch arena that have much larger carts native to the printer as well as Epson ink tank that are OEM.

But ink costs do matter for me, I don't waste much ink and I can print reliably.

Another point people miss is that if you are going large format and you don't have the ink volume to support that, then you risk wasting your inks and damaging your printer since the clock is ticking on the shelf life.

So if you have existing tshirt business being screen printing or whatever, then you might be able to fairly quickly get to those ink levels, but many looking at the low end of Epson are newbies often to the tshirt business and don't have the funds to risk. Going large format means you have to amortize that printer, it takes a while to recoup that investment and if you don't then you have ink festering in your print heads so as we say "use it or lose".

I can chuck a $150 printer in a heartbeat. I get a year warranty and in one "run" that I do it pays for the printer and then leaves me with money in my pocket. So I have set it up so that I can't lose. If the entry into large format requires say at the low end of large format a 24 inch printer with near liter qntys of inks no way I want those inks expiring in a printer costing thousands of dollars. I do enough ink to be just at that demand but I get by just fine and use low end printers and low cost inks.

As you may recall when the Ricoh "graveyard" posts were epidemic here most of the users were letting their inks expire even with 40 mL carts. Wasn't the only factor, but the posts stopped almost entirely once the users were informed of the 6 month shelf life. So even at $1500 for a tabloid size Ricoh many users were not using them often enough and lost their investment as result.
 
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This is what I agree with. I make that 60K + in sales every year. My customers pay for the cost of the ink. If I have an unrealiable system and it won't work do to the fact that I am using a printer in a way that the manufacturer is doing everything they can to keep me from doing it and I am going through a company that makes a 'work around" that sometimes works, that causes me to have to shut down & fix it and stop making money.

Some egomaniacs here like to infer that we are to stupid to fix a printer. I figure I am too smart to waste my time when I can be making product. That is what butters my bread and a company that has top notch customer service and tech support is the way I will go. I easily go through 16 to 20 carts during high season and all the while put the profit in my personal bank account, so no complains from me with SG ink system.
"Some egomaniacs here like to infer that we are to stupid to fix a printer."

While you didn't call me out specifically I can't help but think you just took a cheap shot at me. My comment was specific to one person, who actually should know better than the average user just starting out in diagnosing his printer problem.

I help all kinds of people here and don't infer they are stupid. I called one gentleman out that came in here and blamed the problems on the "Epson conspiracy theory" but is claiming to be an Engineer and didn't have the very simple skill to determine that and without substituting the known good carts there is no way to know that.

Even with the suspicion of such a thing then common sense would say there should be an epidemic of this, not just from users that make the mistake of upgrading firmware. But once the latest firmware is on the Epson assembly line then everyone that buys a new printer would have "cart lock-out" from the existing inventory of that vendors products. So he (the sublimation or cart vendor) would have to purge his inventory of the carts that use those chips. If you go through the posts here there is Zero evidence of that. Most certainly I would have have gotten word on that on this family of Epson printers using the 252XL carts.

So a little critical thinking and simple troubleshooting 101 that even most people that fix things can figure out to do was skipped. Even the most green fresh out of school Electronic tech wouldn't think twice about this.

Electrical Engineers should be masters of diagnosing these kinds of problems and go way beyond that. Failure Analysis is in every Engineers toolbox, troubleshooting is even simpler. To go and state the problem was Epson lock out without any proof or the proper way to diagnose is very reckless coming from someone claiming to be an Electrical Engineer.

I know this because I am one. We make judgments based on facts and evidence.

I can assure you Epson is not your issue "using a printer in a way that the manufacturer is doing everything they can to keep me from doing it" isn't the problem nor anyone else's. If the carts electronics are bad then the printer is doing as designed.

Epson designed these models for low capacity carts, they didn't design for CIS, and even with that this stuff works if you use components that are in working order you only see the nag message and you can safely press the "Do you accept" dialog.

If you find that a printer that was designed to inform you when your carts are low or empty inconvenient too often then you shouldn't be looking at low end Epsons. Epsons from the factory don't understand CIS so you have to to press the reset button fairly frequently since it doesn't understand that you stuck larger tanks on it. This is not Epson conspiracy.

If you would like to debate the merits of my argument I'd be happy to oblige you. Otherwise engage me directly without cheap shot cowardly inferences to "ego".
 
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"Some egomaniacs here like to infer that we are to stupid to fix a printer."

While you didn't call me out specifically I can't help but think you just took a cheap shot at me. My comment was specific to one person, who actually should know better than the average user just starting out in diagnosing his printer problem.

I help all kinds of people here and don't infer they are stupid. I called one gentleman out that came in here and blamed the problems on the "Epson conspiracy theory" but is claiming to be an Engineer and didn't have the very simple skill to determine that and without substituting the known good carts there is no way to know that.

Even with the suspicion of such a thing then common sense would say there should be an epidemic of this, not just from users that make the mistake of upgrading firmware. But once the latest firmware is on the Epson assembly line then everyone that buys a new printer would have "cart lock-out" from the existing inventory of that vendors products. So he (the sublimation or cart vendor) would have to purge his inventory of the carts that use those chips. If you go through the posts here there is Zero evidence of that. Most certainly I would have have gotten word on that on this family of Epson printers using the 252XL carts.

So a little critical thinking and simple troubleshooting 101 that even most people that fix things can figure out to do was skipped. Even the most green fresh out of school Electronic tech wouldn't think twice about this.

Electrical Engineers should be masters of diagnosing these kinds of problems and go way beyond that. Failure Analysis is in every Engineers toolbox, troubleshooting is even simpler. To go and state the problem was Epson lock out without any proof or the proper way to diagnose is very reckless coming from someone claiming to be an Electrical Engineer.

I know this because I am one. We make judgments based on facts and evidence.

I can assure you Epson is not your issue "using a printer in a way that the manufacturer is doing everything they can to keep me from doing it" isn't the problem nor anyone else's. If the carts electronics are bad then the printer is doing as designed.

Epson designed these models for low capacity carts, they didn't design for CIS, and even with that this stuff works if you use components that are in working order you only see the nag message and you can safely press the "Do you accept" dialog.

If you find that a printer that was designed to inform you when your carts are low or empty inconvenient too often then you shouldn't be looking at low end Epsons. Epsons from the factory don't understand CIS so you have to to press the reset button fairly frequently since it doesn't understand that you stuck larger tanks on it. This is not Epson conspiracy.

If you would like to debate the merits of my argument I'd be happy to oblige you. Otherwise engage me directly without cheap shot cowardly inferences to "ego".
Mike, I could dissect your thread and comment on each part just to back you up but...naw...don't think it would do any good with some posters. Operator Head Space is alive and well.... You hit the nail on head as usual. I was starting to feel like a misunderstood snowflake Kudos.
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But ink costs do matter for me, I don't waste much ink and I can print reliably.
If you are using a couple liters a month you are greatly overpaying for ink through Cobra. Their liter price is outrageous and let us be honest. People will bash the "china" ink as cheap but I would but Cobra is buying ink form china and packaging. A liter cost, on the high side, $30 in which they sell for $200.

Using J-Tek as an example which I believe is the most popular ink on this forum for wide format and very good quality goes for about $120 from most dealers. You can find it on the internet for $100 and specials down to $85.

Wouldn't cost much to create a profile and have top quality ink at 1/2 the price of Cobra. Once you create the profile you are saving $2500 a year for a better quality ink. Just something for desktop users who are using a decent amount of ink to consider.
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