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Little Fibers Sticking Up Off Shirt any fix?

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Old December 5th, 2008 Dec 5, 2008 7:37:34 AM -   #31 (permalink)
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Default Re: Little Fibers Sticking Up Off Shirt any fix?

I prepress all my garments about 10 seconds before printing...this will help lay down the fibers on the light garments.
 
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Old December 5th, 2008 Dec 5, 2008 11:55:49 AM -   #32 (permalink)
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thanks, seems to be working.
 
Old December 5th, 2008 Dec 5, 2008 12:45:36 PM -   #33 (permalink)
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Default Re: Little Fibers Sticking Up Off Shirt any fix?

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You have described how you reduce fibrillation on dark garments but do you have a way to reduce the effect on light fabrics?

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I would try prepressing and see if it works. Depending on the brand of shirt I am printing on and how fuzzy they are determine a few things for me. One is if it is too fuzzy I will use the fast color pretreat. Another is that I will give a heavier coat of ink. It seems that if the ink is not printed heavy enough, you get more fibrillation. I think it is because if its light, it doesn't coat the fibers completely.
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Old December 10th, 2008 Dec 10, 2008 10:08:28 AM -   #34 (permalink)
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Default Re: Little Fibers Sticking Up Off Shirt any fix?

You are pre-treating the way I do, except for one part. I brush in the left to right motion because that is the direction the printhead prints.
 
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Default Re: Little Fibers Sticking Up Off Shirt any fix?

I've followed BobbieLee's guidelines for everything and it's worked just like she said. Give her a reward. She knows her stuff. I will try Jpage idea about pressing down left to right (in the directing of the moving printhead). Sounds like a very logical idea. Thanks.
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Old May 5th, 2009 May 5, 2009 5:07:58 AM -   #36 (permalink)
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Default Re: Little Fibers Sticking Up Off Shirt any fix?

Thank you, I was reading through old dtg posts and a few of yours have been very helpful particularly your pre-treating process. Many Thanks, Dan
 
Old May 17th, 2009 May 17, 2009 7:07:29 AM -   #37 (permalink)
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Default Re: Little Fibers Sticking Up Off Shirt any fix?

Just wandering what is the best temperature used for pre-treated t-shirt?
 
Old May 17th, 2009 May 17, 2009 10:44:44 AM -   #38 (permalink)
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Default Re: Little Fibers Sticking Up Off Shirt any fix?

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Just wandering what is the best temperature used for pre-treated t-shirt?
Just treat the preatreatment at the same temp you are curing shirts. You don't have to fool around with changing temps on the heat press. All you are doing is drying it. I know there are some who air dry the pretreat.

If you are asking what temp to cure shirts that will depend on what ink you are using. And even at that you will find people using different temps on the same inks so my recommendation is that you should contact your supplier for cure times and temps.
But we are here to help so tell us what ink you are using and those who use that ink will tell you how they are curing it.
I would also recommend that you take steps to ensure that your heat press temps are accurate. Buy a good heat probe. A few degrees off will make a huge difference in washability. When my press was new the temp on the LED was way off (I think it was about 6 degrees or so).

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Old May 18th, 2009 May 18, 2009 5:42:58 AM -   #39 (permalink)
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Default Re: Little Fibers Sticking Up Off Shirt any fix?

I am using dupont CMYK ink and dupont pretreatment that i bought them from directdigitalsupply last month, and usually I am curing the shirt at 330 F for 60 secs. I pre-treated the shirt almost the same with bobbie lee way. The result is quite good. Just want to know what others are using for cured temp and how long. I know dupont pretreatment is not good enough according to what lazographics said but I haven't tried it yet to leave the white pretreated shirt out in the sun for the whole day.

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Default Re: Little Fibers Sticking Up Off Shirt any fix?

I am using Dupont Inks and Pre-treatment also, from Belquette. I get awesome results with my white inks and color. I have my press set at 350 on med/high pressure. For pretreatment I usually press until most of it evaporates. Then I flip the quilon sheet over and heat press again for five to ten seconds. I found this method to work great! No fibers sticking up at all. Yea its a little more time consuming but I don't waste a shirt, ink or time when the fibers do stick up because I havent pressed long enough.
 
Old May 18th, 2009 May 18, 2009 6:11:16 AM -   #41 (permalink)
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Default Re: Little Fibers Sticking Up Off Shirt any fix?

Usually how long it will evaporates completely? 10 secs? is it ok if i do it more than 10 secs for the first press on the pretreated shirt?
 
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Default Re: Little Fibers Sticking Up Off Shirt any fix?

I can't tell you the exact time I heat press. It varies so much, with the design I'm printing, to the shirt color, type, thread count. Depends on a lot of things. The best way to figure it out is to just read these forums, get an idea of what you need to do, and go try it and experiment using different settings and pre-treatment levels. You will find the best way!
 
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Default Re: Little Fibers Sticking Up Off Shirt any fix?

Yes ok let me play some experiments, thanks anyway
 
Old July 5th, 2009 Jul 5, 2009 10:39:17 PM -   #44 (permalink)
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Default Re: Little Fibers Sticking Up Off Shirt any fix?

so to minimize fibrillation, we can lay more ink when printing. how about removing these little fibers first before printing? is there any way to do that? I think if we just lay these little fibers down with heat pressing or using pretreatment, we can't minimize fibrillation.
 
Old July 7th, 2009 Jul 7, 2009 12:03:50 AM -   #45 (permalink)
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Default Re: Little Fibers Sticking Up Off Shirt any fix?

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so to minimize fibrillation, we can lay more ink when printing. how about removing these little fibers first before printing? is there any way to do that? I think if we just lay these little fibers down with heat pressing or using pretreatment, we can't minimize fibrillation.
There is no way that I know of to remove the fibers. They are the shirt. The shirt is made up of short pieces of cotton fiber and the ends of those short pieces are what is popping up.
Laying them down by heat pressing may help a little but that isn't the answer either.
Dumping a bunch of ink on the shirt isn't what you want to do either. That is probably why dark shirts using white ink have less of a problem but you don't want the added expense and time of pouring a heavy layer of ink on shirts that don't need it.
Pretreatment may or may not do much for fibrilation.

The best thing that I have found to fight fibrilation is to use extremely light pressure when curing. And I mean extremely light pressure. Go as light as your heat press can go and still stay closed. You don't need pressure to cure these inks. Some shops cure in a conveyor dryer.

Try this, print two exact shirts. Cure one at medium pressure and cure the other at almost no pressure. Use the same print settings, time and temp. Make sure that you mark the shirts with a permanent marker so you will know which is which later. Wash them and see the results. Then come back and report in this thread.

For time and temp your best bet is to go with the manufacturers specs. If you have issues with those times and temps then make adjustments from there. If you don't know what the recommended numbers are ask the person you buy ink from. And I will go out on a limb here and say that if you do have issues using the recommended temp then you may have an inaccurate temp guage on your press. Even new presses can be off and a few degrees can make a huge difference.

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