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colorfinger May 21st, 2009 08:46 AM

Epson 1400 Mods
 
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Since I'm in both the Yahoo homemade_dtg group and these forums I am going to post this here as well... In order to prevent the CD-R sensor from tripping you have to remove the latch that tells the printer that the door has been opened. Opening the door is the start of the sequence that tells the printer you are going to print a CD-R...

If you have built a 1400 based DTG we would appreciate if you would share your finding here...

Thanks,

Bob ?;O)

zanone May 21st, 2009 12:20 PM

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This might be interesting for all 1400 diyers :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yT9Kfc7n9yw


colorfinger May 21st, 2009 02:08 PM

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Zanone,

That Flat Jet is a 1410... The company is FERRAGINI DESIGN

FlatJet A3 - Ferragini Design

Their consumers don't think very highly of them

Avaliação FERRAGINI DESIGN

It does look interesting....

Bob ?;O)

zanone May 21st, 2009 02:57 PM

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The 1410 seems to be the same machine as the 1400 , maybe relabeled for different countries (just like the epson s20 - epson t20)

Epson Stylus Photo 1400 / 1410 | C11C65503

i thought it migth be interesting , as some of you converted a 1400 into a dtg, but i have never seen a commercial one based on a 1400/1410.

colorfinger May 21st, 2009 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by zanone (Post 503596)
i thought it migth be interesting , as some of you converted a 1400 into a dtg, but i have never seen a commercial one based on a 1400/1410.

I agree and it points to the viability of using the 1400 as well...

Bob ?;O)

vertigosystems May 24th, 2009 08:26 AM

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Hi, I just wanted to let you guys know that after reading all the forums including the yahoo message board, that we're sticking our toes into the Epson 1400 and it's convertability to a DTG, however I have some other plans for it as well. Since I haven't posted in the diydtg board before I'll give a quick rundown on my experience: I've owned a Flexi Jet S series (awful unit IMO, had serious issues with static which caused it to need to be powered off after almost every print and this was in the middle of summer, not winter when static is worse) Then I had purchased a poorly maintained T-jet 2 off ebay which I reconditioned and resold (including a fully clogged print head which I was able to bring back to life after it had sat in storage with a full ink system for 6 months) I've torn down and rebuild a 2200 and an R800 (not for DTG purpose though) and now I've just purchased a brand new 1400 and a CIS for it that I'll be tearing down and attempting to develop a dtg with.
The additional plans I have for it are attempting to use two of the ink channel LcLm for a 2 channel white ink just because there is (imo) no point in using LcLm dtg inks as it work necessarily improve the quality of the output colors for the most part. the only thing I'm hitting a brick wall on so far is the RIP. I have a number of RIP programs but none specifically address the 1400 and I'm hoping to pick up some assistance from the community as to suggestions for a RIP that I can forcibly direct the printer to print ONLY from certain channels somehow. I know it was done with Flexi's RIP and any white capable rip for that matter, so I just need some ideas in this department, and I'll be glad to share all my findings.

colorfinger May 24th, 2009 10:32 AM

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Ryan,

This is very interesting. Your experience with early DTGs should prove helpful in your creating a DIY DTG. Do you feel it is absolutely necessary to use a RIP? My plan is to use two 1400s, one setup with white and another using all color DTG inks... The high cost of a RIP precludes me from doing it any other way.... 1400s are very affordable in comparison.

Bob ?;O)

vertigosystems May 24th, 2009 11:03 AM

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Bob,
True, the 1400 are cheap (around $160 through my vendor... WHEN they have them though) but since both of the commercial DTGs I've used both were white capable 8 channel, I've seen the "best" the industry has to offer in white ink and frankly neither of them are very good (again imo your mileage may vary) in both cases, regardless of pre-treatment methods the white ink peeled after it was "cured" and never lasted more than about 2 washes. But in both cases, the units had registration problems where the color would just not quite line up with the white and I can only imagine the nightmare you'd have if you printed white on a completely separate printer and attempted to move that platen to another unit, that's just my two cents though. the white ink in my case (since I have only 2 channels) would be purely experimental though since I'm not very impressed with the ink quality etc. and in my case, yes I would need a RIP to force the unit to print from only certain ink heads. If you want to do light colored shirts only which the results look good on grey, beige, and white, then you don't need a RIP. RIP software isn't as expensive as it seems though, to tell the truth i have 4 different packages installed from playing with the previous printers, one that would be compatible with the 2400 (t-jet) and one that's compatible with the 4800 (flexijet) and two others for roland printers, luckily the software doesn't stop being functional when you disconnect the printers. The Flexijet rip appears to be Multi-Rip just rebranded for the unit. I have a feeling since purchasing FlexiCut (vinyl cutting software) that the rip that comes with that might do exactly what I need without any extra expense.
Whew, Sorry for being long winded here, but when I actually start doing the teardown, I'm going to be very detailed :)

sodrisc May 24th, 2009 12:59 PM

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i dont think you will be able to get the 1400 to trip the paper sensor correctly as it essentialy a 1800 chassis with a smaller channel head, i tried for days to get the 1800 to trip the sensor in the same way the d88 does and it just wouldnt do it without a rip, does the above working dtg 1400 come with some kindof rip ? im not saying it cant be done manually, but if it is the same as a 1800 paper switch/sensor i think it will prove a challenge.

colorfinger May 24th, 2009 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by sodrisc (Post 504714)
i dont think you will be able to get the 1400 to trip the paper sensor correctly as it essentialy a 1800 chassis with a smaller channel head, i tried for days to get the 1800 to trip the sensor in the same way the d88 does and it just wouldnt do it without a rip...

Steve, this is confusing... There is an example of a DIY DTG printer by Bob Bristol on Youtube... He doesn't have the T-Shirt aligned but it is definitely printing and I believe without a RIP. How would a RIP cause the sensor to trip at the correct time?


Bob ?;O)

colorfinger May 24th, 2009 05:46 PM

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Steve,

Check out the "Epson R1900 Service manual" thread... The photos I shared are an 1800. This guy has it down to a science... You can tell he has a couple of these units. He repositioned the PE Sensor so that it was tripped by the platen, not the shirt.

Bob ?;O)

sodrisc May 25th, 2009 01:54 AM

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i think your getting your diy dtg'smixed up, the 1800 switch picture you just used is by a user called jacqolie from the old dtg forums, we both built our 1800's around the same time, he couldnt get it to trip without a rip either. Maybe the 1400 is a bit different in the switch department, i dunno.

colorfinger May 25th, 2009 07:27 AM

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Steve,

I don't know what I'm getting confused. The video from Youtube is a 1400 and the switch is an 1800. Fair enough, You have experience in this. Can you explain how the RIP is going to trip the sensor? This does not make sense to me.

Bob ?;O)

sodrisc May 25th, 2009 07:49 AM

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i meant confused on the 1800, jacqolie has never said anywhere he didnt need a rip to trip the sensor, i dont know why it trips with a rip, i was just happy at the time that it did trip it, i tried manually for days, taking 1/16th increments on platen position almost all the way over it, hundreds of attempts, it just wouldnt do it. with a rip you can place the platen anywhere and it just works, Why? no idea, something to do with the rip driver i would imagine.
Now i havent actualy stripped down and played with a 1400 but as i said above its based on a very similar chassis to a 1800, so i would imagine the paper switch sensor and driver part to be similar, so you might hit the same problem and without a rip there isnt a obvious solution, but yes i can see the vid above of one working so somebody found a way around it, thats assuming the paper sensor is the same as a 1800, it might work without it as standard.

colorfinger May 25th, 2009 08:49 AM

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Steve,

Well that is interesting. I know you have to have a RIP if you want to split the ink channels to print CYMK + 4 White but this is the first time I've heard anyone say they had to use a RIP to trip the sensor.

I'm guessing your issue has something to do with the paper length mechanism (I'll have to look it up, can't remember the actual name) but it still doesn't register why the PE sensor would care about the RIP...

I'll let you know what I find with the 1400.

Bob ?;O)


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