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Old April 4th, 2009 Apr 4, 2009 3:10:38 PM -   #16 (permalink)
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Hello,
I bought my rip-software from: EUKON DIGITAL, INC. Technology for Fast Digital Color Textile Printing.
It is very easy to use... It supports all Epson based printers.
You can also get a demo from them....
 
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Old April 4th, 2009 Apr 4, 2009 3:38:06 PM -   #17 (permalink)
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i thoroughly tested that rip against multirip on the diy r1800, multirip won hands down, the prints are more defined and the main issue i had with that eukon rip was that it didnt do the fine steps that multirip did, which caused alot of rattling about and some misregistration, that could be overcome with a redesign of the wooden chassis you attach it to, but time is money and i went with what worked the best, true multirip is double the price but then its twice as good in my opinion. I havent used it for a while and its been updated since i last used it in anger, im still using the 1160 and doing just cmyk on whites/lights with the standard epson driver. Im getting through a 1160 every six months and a pf motor about every three months, there arent any new 1160's about anymore although i do have one new backup unit left, so i will have to do a R1900 diy in the not to distant future which is fully supported with the latest multirip version which im very pleased about

anyone considering doing a R1800 and upward for a diy will HAVE to use a rip of some kind, you just cant get it to trip the paper sensor correctly without one and boy did i fling myself at that wall for days on end, with a rip you can place the platen almost anywhere and it just works.

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Susan, Steve,

Thanks for adding in... I guess everyone should try the available demo's. Perhaps most of the available RIPs have been updating to overcome issues like the one you mentioned Steve. Multirip does sound like the ticket.

Steve,

You say you are going through a DTG every six months. Have you contacted Epson support to see if they have replacement parts? Buying a new printer every six months sounds like a pain and if you are getting that much business wouldn't it pay to get a commercial one?

Mark,

You mentioned that there might be firmware to get the platen to return. Do you have a lead to anything like this that is available commercially? Could a flash dryer be used to quickly set the white inc before a second run?

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Susan, Steve,

Thanks for adding in... I guess everyone should try the available demo's. Perhaps most of the available RIPs have been updating to overcome issues like the one you mentioned Steve. Multirip does sound like the ticket.

Steve,

You say you are going through a DTG every six months. Have you contacted Epson support to see if they have replacement parts? Buying a new printer every six months sounds like a pain and if you are getting that much business wouldn't it pay to get a commercial one?

Mark,

You mentioned that there might be firmware to get the platen to return. Do you have a lead to anything like this that is available commercially? Could a flash dryer be used to quickly set the white inc before a second run?

Thanks,

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when i hit a wall of problems i give it two days to resolve, if i cant locate the problem (swapping motherboards/capping stations/heads etc....) i swap out the whole unit, this i can do in 2 - 3 hours, time is money. Each printer so far cost about £100 each, im on number three, so the last 18 months of dtg printing have cost me about three hundred quid, about the cost of 1.5 replacement heads for a commercial epson dtg which im sure would have used a head or two in that time, add in the purchase cost of a commercial dtg and its still a far far cheaper way to do it. I have sourced pf motors (that drive the tray, they do burnout) at £25 a pop so thats not to much of a problem. Im happy where i am at the moment.
 
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when i hit a wall of problems i give it two days to resolve, if i cant locate the problem (swapping motherboards/capping stations/heads etc....) i swap out the whole unit, this i can do in 2 - 3 hours, time is money. Each printer so far cost about £100 each, im on number three, so the last 18 months of dtg printing have cost me about three hundred quid, about the cost of 1.5 replacement heads for a commercial epson dtg which im sure would have used a head or two in that time, add in the purchase cost of a commercial dtg and its still a far far cheaper way to do it. I have sourced pf motors (that drive the tray, they do burnout) at £25 a pop so thats not to much of a problem. Im happy where i am at the moment.
See Steve, That's the practical stuff I like to hear. So you are getting a good rate of return on your investment on replacing the units. Good to know!

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Im getting through a 1160 every six months and a pf motor about every three months...
Steve, about how many prints are you getting out each 1160?

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im not really sure, i sell direct to the customer and get around 5 - 10 orders a day, sometimes less sometimes a little more, but as i said it always seems to break down after six months (ish) one was my fault, daydreaming while putting the platen on, not getting it flat and having one almighty headstrike, bye bye head, that replacement unit (ebay) was cheaper than buying in a new head and i had it to hand so it made sense to just replace the lot as i also got a shiny new capping station/wiper blade etc.... thrown in. Obviously you cant do that with a 1800/1900, they rarely seem to sell for under £200 on ebay used plus i only like to work with brand new units, although i have just bouht a spares/repair 1290 to check the internal setup for its likely conversion to dtg, looks the same as a 1160 so would be fairly straightforward to convert i think.
 
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Steve,

It sounds like your options are dwindling down for new printers. The 1400 is the new entry level 13 X 19 and at 299.00 US a pop you're going to have to wait before they come down to a reasonable used price. However, if you're bringing in about $180 or so a day on that machine it sounds like that really isn't going to be a problem.

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the 1400 is basically the same unit as a 1800 but with a different head, so all i can see is the same problem of paper switch detection i had with the 1800 and no rip, as far as i know there is not a rip out there for a 1400 so its not a good candidate for diy. Im not a memeber of any groups working on the diy so for all i know someone has got one working somewhere, the 1900 does have that teflon coated head though, i really need to do one of those, any benefactors out there who would like to donate one? haha!
 
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Mark,

You mentioned that there might be firmware to get the platen to return. Do you have a lead to anything like this that is available commercially?
If you ask an OEM manufacturer of dtg printers what their most expensive R&D item is, they will say that it is the firmware / boards. If a DIY user wanted this level of firmware, they should expect that it would cost several thousands of dollars --- much more money than the total cost their printer and it begins to push the price up to an OEM dtg cost. Most of the DIY users don't want to pay this type of money. If someone really was interested, then they can PM me and I will see if I can give them names of people to contact.

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Could a flash dryer be used to quickly set the white inc before a second run?
The problem with this concept (which has been tried before) is that you don't want to have anything that gets hot close to your printhead. Otherwise, the nozzles will dry out really fast and you will have clogging problems. You also can't pull the shirt off the platen --> take it over to the flash unit to cure and put it back on the platen... due to getting it perfect registration. This is one of the things that the ink manufacturers work very hard on, but I am not sure if it is going to get any better in the near future. There has been some testing using an UV light with different UV inks, but the samples I have seen are not flexible and break off from the garment. They are really made for hard substrates that are not bendable.

Hope this answers your questions.

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The problem with this concept (which has been tried before) is that you don't want to have anything that gets hot close to your printhead. Otherwise, the nozzles will dry out really fast and you will have clogging problems.

Well you could have your tray reach far enough from the printer so that it can't affect the printer...

Certainly from all the activity in the DIY DTG forums there must be others who are printing with a white undercoat... Won't any of you chime in and let us know how it is working for you?

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i have all the kit but not had time to try it yet (or the room really!), my platen is removeable, i intend on screening the white (waterbased opaque), warm it with a heat gun to give me a solid crust, then print over the top, registration will be sorted out in advance by printing the image onto a piece of paper first with the dtg then lineing it up on the one colour screen press. I have never burned a screen before so thats holding it up as well, i need to look into that a bit more, so much to test/try so little time to do it all.............
 
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Steve,

I just read that users of the DTG brand garment printer were doing the very same thing. I believe there was a third party that offered a similar solution as an addon. This solution certainly would eliminate the need for an expensive RIP. It would be nice if there were a software solution for controlling the extra ink channels on the wide format Epson printers. Since those extra channels use different blacks... I'm wondering if one couldn't tease those channels into printing if the color channels were manipulated in the photo app. This is something I'll have to experiment with.

Bob ?;O)

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im not trying to avoid buying a rip as i already bought multirip for the 1800 (1900 conversion coming soon, no really this time it is!) im just trying to add the white capability to my 1160 for an upcoming project. Thinking about it i dont really need to burn a screen to test if it works or not, i will just screen a big square on a shirt and print something over it, registration doesnt really matter to test if the ink will adhere properly, i should get the time to do it on thursday.
 
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Steve, I guess if you design the graphics with a white vignette surrounding the image that would be a working solution.

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