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102557 August 30th, 2010 02:58 PM

Re: Mission accomplished "license to thrill"
 
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Originally Posted by moffett8 (Post 753149)
FYI - I was ordering parts for someone today and was told that Epson makes parts available for 7 years after they stop production of a printer.

Philip

thats interesting...

but take into account how long the 2200 has been discontinued? i would certainly want parts avail for at least seven years for the work that is put into a quaility dtg!!!! after that your screwed.. and time to make one thats in production..

why not just start with a printer that is in production? its the safest bet!!:) not to mention the differences in printer function- quaility itself.. the 2200 and 1900 are night and day by comparison

moffett8 August 30th, 2010 03:27 PM

Re: Mission accomplished "license to thrill"
 
I'm building both 2200 and R1900 models of DTG. My DTG setup is about the same for both models except for the drive motor mount because the 2200 uses a gear drive and the R1900 is a belt drive. Both are quality printers. The 2200 has been discontinued for about 1 1/2 - 2 years so Epson will sell parts to service centers for about another 5 years then you can still get parts till the service center runs out. I've picked up several 2200 because they are less in price that the R1900 and they both can do the same thing and print the same size prints. Multi Rip works for both. The R1900 is a little faster than the 2200 but the 2200 can put down more ink so there are pluses and minuses either way. Some have done double prints because the first print didn't put down enough ink. In this case the 2200 would be a plus. The R1900 has a teflon coated print head. This should help with clogs. But I have talked with higher ups at Epson and they said they have never heard it mentioned that the teflon coated print head on the R1900 were to help with clogs......why else would they use a teflon print head?
In any case people can build with what ever model of printer they want to.

Philip
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Originally Posted by german13 (Post 753239)
thats interesting...

but take into account how long the 2200 has been discontinued? i would certainly want parts avail for at least seven years for the work that is put into a quaility dtg!!!! after that your screwed.. and time to make one thats in production..

why not just start with a printer that is in production? its the safest bet!!:) not to mention the differences in printer function- quaility itself.. the 2200 and 1900 are night and day by comparison


spiderx1 August 30th, 2010 04:54 PM

Droplett size on the 2200 is bigger but resolution on 1900 is better.

spiderx1 August 30th, 2010 05:04 PM

Re: Mission accomplished "license to thrill"
 
Ok but the 4 channel white is a plus the 1900 at 90% output is better than the 2200 at 100%.

102557 August 30th, 2010 08:22 PM

Re: Mission accomplished "license to thrill"
 
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Originally Posted by spiderx1 (Post 753309)
Ok but the 4 channel white is a plus the 1900 at 90% output is better than the 2200 at 100%.

i agree its a matter of personal preference!!! If the 2200 was as good as the 1900 with parts still being available (according to philip) the commercial manufactures would still be building the 2200 and there not, i think that says it all...:) speed of print is way faster with the 1900..way way faster plus extra channels..

i have looked at both when starting this out...i was not personally impressed with the 2200 my self.. i have been thru the 1100, 1400, 1900, 2200, 4800....

i think the best bang for the buck all around is the 1900... Imho;)

but best of luck with the printer of your choice...

102557 August 30th, 2010 08:36 PM

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P.S i was told it was discontinued late 2004... (the epson 2200) so thasts 6 years already!! apparently it was replaced with the 2400 which is no longer available i understand aswell!!!

i would check and confirm this for sure before dumping a bunch of time&money into something that cant be repaired due to no parts soon.. here is a link or post circa 2005 saying it was discontinued then..

http://www.naturescapes.net/phpBB3/v...hp?f=1&t=38328

essen48183 August 30th, 2010 08:58 PM

Re: Mission accomplished "license to thrill"
 
I have built both, the 2200 and the backup donor parts machine went straight to the trash a few weeks after the 1900 went online. Both were cmyk with white underbase. Not even in the same ballpark. From experience, my humble opinion is that I would stop spending brainpower, time, and money on the 2200 you have in progress and chalk it up as DIY DTG college tuition... and focus on a better printer you can get in days from epson.... after all you are in the business of printing tees, not making printers from printers people are selling on craigslist because they are gathering dust after the owner upgraded to a better printer. I considered running cleaning solution to it and taking it offline and reserving it for a backup... but then realized that I needed the space... if space was being taken up, I'd want it to be a second mainline printer made from a 1900, so to the dump all the 2200 printers and parts went.

On a side note, I do have one clean head leftover for a 2200 that was spared from the trash by my not noticing it until the other day. $75 if anyone wants it. It was clogged with stock paper ink in one channel and wouldn't clear by head cleanings, but cleared right up when I removed it and soaked the nozzles in windex and sprayed cleaning solution through each channel. email me at essen(at)me(dot)com if you have a 2200 based machine in operation and want a backup head.

*edit* or free head if you cover the shipping cost if you have given me advice in building no matter how small.

moffett8 August 31st, 2010 12:25 AM

Re: Mission accomplished "license to thrill"
 
If you don't find a taker for the print head I'll pay the shipping.

Philip
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Originally Posted by essen48183 (Post 753424)
I have built both, the 2200 and the backup donor parts machine went straight to the trash a few weeks after the 1900 went online. Both were cmyk with white underbase. Not even in the same ballpark. From experience, my humble opinion is that I would stop spending brainpower, time, and money on the 2200 you have in progress and chalk it up as DIY DTG college tuition... and focus on a better printer you can get in days from epson.... after all you are in the business of printing tees, not making printers from printers people are selling on craigslist because they are gathering dust after the owner upgraded to a better printer. I considered running cleaning solution to it and taking it offline and reserving it for a backup... but then realized that I needed the space... if space was being taken up, I'd want it to be a second mainline printer made from a 1900, so to the dump all the 2200 printers and parts went.

On a side note, I do have one clean head leftover for a 2200 that was spared from the trash by my not noticing it until the other day. $75 if anyone wants it. It was clogged with stock paper ink in one channel and wouldn't clear by head cleanings, but cleared right up when I removed it and soaked the nozzles in windex and sprayed cleaning solution through each channel. email me at essen(at)me(dot)com if you have a 2200 based machine in operation and want a backup head.

*edit* or free head if you cover the shipping cost if you have given me advice in building no matter how small.


janamakuza September 1st, 2010 03:03 AM

Re: Mission accomplished "license to thrill"
 
nice job sir jeff., keep it up.,:)

sunoracle September 4th, 2010 08:20 AM

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Just finish my second release DTG, make by metal gear wheel teeth on teech without belt, and using the grey PVC all 8mm thickness. But it seems not easy to lightly push back the platen to the beginning position for the gears is tight :-)

And I do not know why, I used 8mm thickness pvc, but the platen is not flat enough, one of the corner a little curl. So I change it to wood. and later change it to bamboo chopping board. It seems light and flat much more, Haha.

And Jeff, how's new dtg, you are the inspiration of mine! :-) I learn a lot from you. Thank a million.

102557 September 4th, 2010 08:50 AM

Re: Mission accomplished "license to thrill"
 
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Originally Posted by sunoracle (Post 756857)
Just finish my second release DTG, make by metal gear wheel teeth on teech without belt, and using the grey PVC all 8mm thickness. But it seems not easy to lightly push back the platen to the beginning position for the gears is tight :-)

And I do not know why, I used 8mm thickness pvc, but the platen is not flat enough, one of the corner a little curl. So I change it to wood. and later change it to bamboo chopping board. It seems light and flat much more, Haha.

And Jeff, how's new dtg, you are the inspiration of mine! :-) I learn a lot from you. Thank a million.


very very nice davey... i love seeing this stuff

your a craftsman... i would try a roller clutch or electromagnetic clutch to release the drive while returning the platen.. it will make it easier when using the rack and pinion gear.. for the curl to the pvc.. you can take a heat gun..heat it put it on flat surface with a little weight, let it cool and presto straight again... i used a polyethylene on my new design as mentioned before it can be welded etc the same as pvc.. it is half the weight of pvc...

im sure you will find a solution that works for you;)

my new dtg design is getting very close to completion... shouldnt be long now.. (its the ferrari version of my original).. :D had to rework some details on the base (internals electronics mounting placement etc)

im on the home stretch now..

best wishes:)
jeff

jap71rx2 September 4th, 2010 05:33 PM

Re: Mission accomplished "license to thrill"
 
hey jeff
your original was the ferrari machine AWESOME
cant weight to se the next one mate
speak soon

spiderx1 September 4th, 2010 05:59 PM

Re: Mission accomplished "license to thrill"
 
Is it difficult to push back everytime? My 2200 pushes back easy sometimes and sometimes it is more difficult. Thats with a belt drive. So it the motor for me not the drive system. Any backlash issues?

102557 September 5th, 2010 01:03 AM

Re: Mission accomplished "license to thrill"
 
when i had the rack & pinion on it it was a bit stiff.. a clutch will solve your issue if you want it to be super easy to push... its the pulley ratio or pinion ratio that makes it a bit stiff to push...when connected to a platen and manually returned the platen is turning the 5/16ths pulley...

for example when you turn it with the encoder gear (white geared wheel) it is very easy... you could also add a hand crank... it depends on the how precise your setup is lined up aswell...

it does not harm anything makes you think its heavy but it is not..mine with the rack and pinion did this with the platen only weighing just under a pound... also if you are using slides this displaces the weight even further to almost nothing.. no worries as long as its lined properly..:)

sunoracle September 5th, 2010 07:15 AM

Re: Mission accomplished "license to thrill"
 
I have printed several old t-shirt just for testing, it works perfect without backlash :-)

Now I do not prepare to do any change for this machine. It is fixed. Jeff's idea of adding the clutch will be excellent. I still have some ideas, but it will be my next new machine :-)


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