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DTFuqua February 25th, 2011 12:42 PM

Re: Mission accomplished "license to thrill"
 
What do you think about these bearings? Amazon.com: Spyraflo HF2-8M-N Self-Aligning, Needle-Roller Bearing With Aluminum 2-Bolt Hole, 8 mm Inner-Diameter Housing-Flange: Industrial & Scientific now that I know what to put in the search engine
another one
http://www.smallparts.com/spyraflo-b...qid=1298670525

102557 February 25th, 2011 01:33 PM

Re: Mission accomplished "license to thrill"
 
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Originally Posted by schenk (Post 860248)
hi

i run into a problem that i dont understand, if you look at the pictures below you see that my prints arent always in the same spot. look at the outlined boxes those where test to see the alignment

i'm in sheet mode, load printbed print >> than load again print again and its off by a few milimeter. horizontal alignment is fine as expected, vertical alignment is hit and miss.

does any of the builders recognise this problem? and have some tips where to look for a fix?
i cant get the alignment right! i guess it must be fixed to do proper white ink printing.....

another thing is that resolute is comming out with bagged ink in a few days/weeks! that will eliminate diy-ing our own white ink bag setup for the biggest part. (at least where i live)

german youre doing the second load, without the ASF engaging, on epson firmware or you add something?.....haha you probably dont want to give any details:D

First let me say this is one of the biggest benefits of running in manual roll is the printer finds the registration preprint every time.. and its always perfect... you lose a little time due to manual rolls pre print sequence compared to sheet mode , I calculate this to be about 22-25 seconds in comparison.. its funny (in a good way) watching everyone travel this dtg road and seeing the things i have already been thru.. I choose manual roll mode for the V2 to make the build easy to operate for the novice as far as registration and the printing in general.. with fewer press prints in between aswell!!! Im glad you are posting your experience this shows the rest what to expect when deviating from manual roll on the t-dozer v2 design...

As far as a fix for your issues
the precise way!! the proper sized slides and a quaility slide with no play is very important first and foremost, this should resolve most of your issues..

additionally when your slides are pushed in you need a dead stop for the same location every time.. this is tricky but you will work it out.. there are a couple different hardware methods to solve the issue!!! small magnet, slightly tilting the rear of the slide down hill but keeping the platen height level etc etc..

second.. the easy way... choke the white underbase back within the rip!!! (another benefit of rip software):)

as far as the asf it engages only when a real print is executed or the platen is in position!! just like velocijet/anajet and others as far as the function in sheet mode!! no pressing print inbetween layers just print once from the rip and it works the same as running in manual roll with no paper out yellow, thats as far as i go with the details:D

102557 February 25th, 2011 01:36 PM

Re: Mission accomplished "license to thrill"
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by DTFuqua (Post 860264)
Details first. I thought I would need to set the platen and tray height to the printer head and then the drive rod to the bottom of the tray? (that was a question) And those are the kind of bearings I was trying to describe, Thank you. Another problem I don't have the vocabulary to ask is about fastening the angle iron to the tray without the heads of the bolts/screws sticking out in the wayto get in the way of the drive rod being against the bottom of the tray. Two thought are #1 being exopy and the other being counter sunk screws with the slanted heads? I don't have the work area to be sure of getting everything exact while waiting on epoxy so I'll keep thinking that one. How thick of a piece of aluminum plate should I need to prevent bowing or deforming under the little bit of pressures applied between the platen and drive rod and/or will the two forces on opposite sides of the tray/aluminum plate cancel themselves out? I'ld hate to wind up with a bent drive rod.
Now, business. I really would need to do twice as many shirts a week (50) under the way I'll probably have to work things by hiring sales staff. I was hoping to maybe get a bunch of "soccer mom" types to sell to their respective groups with some of them doing real sales enough to make some money continously later down the road. I wouldn't even be able to get away from home to interview anyone so don't know how that will work but I have lots of time to think.:D

you hit it pretty much on the head.. counter sink etc.. i use 1/4 rubber material so it makes this easy.. it is also glued in my case!!:) its really not rocket science there are several methods that will achieve the same objective!!

additionally your platen should be adjustable separate from the platen carrier (what rides on your friction apparatus) mine just has four bolts on aluminum rails that can be adjusted at every corner to achieve perfect level...

when i started out testing i just made different sized cardboard platens with super glue and placed them on the carrier until i got everything aligned and worked out.. in fact i still use cardboard platens for an additional source to speed up production... there very easy to make and fast to do so.. this way you can have the shirt ready to go!!! dont be fooled by fancy get up.. the point is to get the print done.. now i could see you needing a better looking system if your at public events where the printer is visable, other than that they all give the same end result for pennies!!

102557 February 25th, 2011 01:39 PM

Re: Mission accomplished "license to thrill"
 
bearings look good, both needle bearings.. this is what i reccommend for sure.. i always use the same place myself stock drive products/ sterling instrument, they always carry quaility products!!

spiderx1 February 25th, 2011 02:43 PM

Re: Mission accomplished "license to thrill"
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by francc (Post 859980)
Hi Chrispider! greetings!:rolleyes:


Here is said ... will take before a liar that a lame... there is no RIP free.

Ok, first off name is Randy. And I have nothing to do with EK RIP period. Other than the fact that I was running 3 different RIPs. That are used by every mfg, in the US anyway. I tried EK and found it to be superior, so much so that I laid down the $850 for the product. And thru experience can tell you that for a DIY product there is none better. And the only one that has options put in just for the DIY DTG.
So if you do not want honest help and you do not want to help others then go somewhere else!!!

dragonknight February 25th, 2011 05:18 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by german13 (Post 860339)
they all give the same end result for pennies!!

:) I like this part, I agree + a good RIP

francc February 26th, 2011 02:33 AM

Re: Mission accomplished "license to thrill"
 
When commercialize the v3? It is complicated obtaining permits from epson to commercialize? The rip is ek, truth? That price has 7000 $? Thank you!

camisadetenerife February 26th, 2011 02:57 AM

Re: Mission accomplished "license to thrill"
 
francc, the rip is not $7000, more like $700.

102557 February 26th, 2011 05:31 AM

Re: Mission accomplished "license to thrill"
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by francc (Post 860575)
When commercialize the v3? It is complicated obtaining permits from epson to commercialize? The rip is ek, truth? That price has 7000 $? Thank you!

The V3 will not be commercialized, it will just work like one:) Im just a small independent guy.. no permits needed from epson once you purchase a printer its your property you could make a flower holder out of it if you wanted..lol i already inquired with epson regarding this when i first started.. they dont particularly like the product being converted to a dtg (because they lose ink revenue) but theres nothing they can do about it.. you have right of use of a product you purchased..

the only entity that has a special dtg relationship with epson is mastermind from japan, they make some of the dtg brand printers and the texmac solo dtg.. outside of this there are a some printer manufactures that are authorized epson parts dealers but do not have the relationship mastermind does from what i have been explained.. no one has epsons blessing/permission/partnership on a dtg conversion outside of mastermind again from what i have been explained..

the rip i use is ek rip! price is 850 us dollars..;) maybe you should try a different translator, google live translator usually works pretty good.. Im hoping your missing some info thats being lost in translation.. i know on your postings in english there very difficult to read and interpret!! most are coming off as personal insult/accusations, halfway on the english end.. i dont know if thats your intent.. so i dont want to answer irrationally without knowing what you are are trying to relay..

regards

francc February 26th, 2011 01:55 PM

Re: Mission accomplished "license to thrill"
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by german13 (Post 860616)
The V3 will not be commercialized, it will just work like one:) Im just a small independent guy.. no permits needed from epson once you purchase a printer its your property you could make a flower holder out of it if you wanted..lol i already inquired with epson regarding this when i first started.. they dont particularly like the product being converted to a dtg (because they lose ink revenue) but theres nothing they can do about it.. you have right of use of a product you purchased..

the only entity that has a special dtg relationship with epson is mastermind from japan, they make some of the dtg brand printers and the texmac solo dtg.. outside of this there are a some printer manufactures that are authorized epson parts dealers but do not have the relationship mastermind does from what i have been explained.. no one has epsons blessing/permission/partnership on a dtg conversion outside of mastermind again from what i have been explained..

the rip i use is ek rip! price is 850 us dollars..;) maybe you should try a different translator, google live translator usually works pretty good.. Im hoping your missing some info thats being lost in translation.. i know on your postings in english there very difficult to read and interpret!! most are coming off as personal insult/accusations, halfway on the english end.. i dont know if thats your intent.. so i dont want to answer irrationally without knowing what you are are trying to relay..

regards

7000$ Possible price of v3 bricolage

(I have the impression that the end of his work is doing business in some way, this may licitly, of course, but some honesty is very good)


and i was that the RIP is 800$


never insult in my messages, and to my i am accused of having business in DTG commercial, this is not correct.

I use translation babylon, is better than google, but did not understand ironic sense in the translation..

estrada February 26th, 2011 02:18 PM

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francc: How about you write your messages in spanish and I translate them for you? Unfortunately we are not understanding your messages in english. Regards.

francc : Que te parece si escribes tus mensajes en español y yo los traduzco por tí? Desgraciadamente no se entienden tus mensajes en inglés. Saludos.

francc February 26th, 2011 03:04 PM

Re: Mission accomplished "license to thrill"
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by estrada (Post 860865)
francc: How about you write your messages in spanish and I translate them for you? Unfortunately we are not understanding your messages in english. Regards.

francc : Que te parece si escribes tus mensajes en español y yo los traduzco por tí? Desgraciadamente no se entienden tus mensajes en inglés. Saludos.

Hola estrada, antes de nada saludos y gracias por ofrecerte, no creo que sea del agrado de los administradores de este foro el que se pueda hablar en castellano, pero aunque solo sea por esta vez accedo a ello para que se pueda entender el sentido de lo que quiero expresar.

Este hilo empezo en algo asi como por hobby o pasion por algo que se podia construir uno mismo con ayuda de los demas y poco a poco a mi humilde parecer se esta conviertiendo en algo mas bien relacionado con un negocio.

Nunca he tenido la intencion de menospreciar el trabajo que se ha hecho con el t-dozer, cuando digo que no es necesaria la publicacion de los planos del v3, lo hago con el fin de librar a su autor de la presion de publicar algo que el se ha trabajado, con su esfuerzo, no quiero decir que el v3 no merezca la pena, simplemente queria decir que el v2 es la base de la construccion de una impresora textil casera, a partir de hay cada uno que piense como esta se puede convertir en algo mas profesionalizado..

Nunca ha sido mi intendion el atacar a nadie hasta que yo me he sentido atacado. el tema del rodillo de friccion con schenk sin ir mas lejos era un tema que se veia bastante claro desde el principio que esas ruedas que el colocaba en el rodillo original hacian que la impresora descompensara los movimientos a la hra de hacer avanzar las camisetas a imprimir..y creo que german tenia la respuesta ha ese error, pero tardo en resolverlo ...precisamente porque el no queria desvelar que la v3 no utilizaba correa sino simplemente el rodillo original, al igual que makemygraphix...

y mas tarde el tema de signdog...el estaba publicando unas fotos muy buenas de su construccion, y se le llama la atencion para que no "lie" este hilo? yo creo que eran unas fotos y una forma de trabajar muy buena para la inspiracion de futuros constructores..hay que animar a esta gente para que publiquen! no hacer lo contrario!!

el tema del RIP... aqui me llevo la impresion de que hay gente que tiene intereses economicos y que no tienen ningun interes en que se puedan promocionar diferentes formas de programas o software que abaraten la configuracion de la impresora en sus impresiones, posiblemente yo este equivocado, simplemente es una impresion, no quiero acusar a nadie.


decir que no es mi intencion torpedear este foro o este hilo que me parece algo fantastico, solo pido honestidad y si alguien pretende hacer negocio de este que se astenga y lo haga en otro sitio!

nada mas, colaboracion entre todos y buen rollo.

gracias.

estrada February 26th, 2011 04:34 PM

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There's been some language misunderstandings lately, so I though it would be a good idea to set the record straight with francc. Just for this once I'm going to translate francc's previous post:

Ha habido algunos mal ententidos de lenguaje ultimamente, asi que pensé que sería buena idea aclarar las cosas con francc. Solo por esta ocaccion voy a traducir el post anterior the francc:

"Hello estrada, greetings and thank you for the offer, I don't think it will please the administrators of this forum that we speak in spanish, however just this once I agree to it so that everyone can understand the sense of what I'm trying to express.

This thread started as a hobby or passion for building something yourself with the help of others. Little by little in my humble opinion is becoming in something else, more related to a bussiness.

It's never been my intention to undermind the work thas has been done with the t-dozer, when I say that publication of the footprints for the v3 is not necesary, I do it with the intention of realeasing the preassure of it's creator to publish something. Something he has worked on, and put efford on it. I do not mean to say v3 is not worth it, I simple meant to say that the v2 is the base for the construction of a diy dtg, from which each one can start thinking how to make something more professional.

It's never been my intention to attack anyone, nor have I ever felt attacked. For example, in the fricction shaft subject with schenck, it looked very clear from the begining that those wheels would not provide accurate movements for the printer.. and I believe that german had the answer to that error, but it took him a while to answer it.. precisely because he didn't want to reveal that the v3 did not used a band, but rather the original printer shaft, just like makemygraphix..

later there is the subject of signdog..he was publishing some very nice pictures of his constructtion..but he is repremended to keep him to "cause confusion"? I think those were good pictures and his way of work was great and an inspiration for future builders..we have to encourage this kind of people to publish! not do the opposite!!

On the rip subject.. I get the impression that there are people here with economic interest and they do not have any intention in promoting diferent applications that would make this printer configuration cheaper, it is possible I might be wrong, it's just my impression, I don't want to accuse anyone.

Been able to say it wasn't my intention to mess with this forum or thread is fantastic, I just ask for honesty and if someone intends to make business out of this, he should restrain from it and do it somewhere else!

that's it, just colaboration among everyone and a cool attitude.

Thanks"

102557 February 26th, 2011 05:52 PM

Re: Mission accomplished "license to thrill"
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by estrada (Post 860944)
There's been some language misunderstandings lately, so I though it would be a good idea to set the record straight with francc. Just for this once I'm going to translate francc's previous post:

Ha habido algunos mal ententidos de lenguaje ultimamente, asi que pensé que sería buena idea aclarar las cosas con francc. Solo por esta ocaccion voy a traducir el post anterior the francc:

"Hello estrada, greetings and thank you for the offer, I don't think it will please the administrators of this forum that we speak in spanish, however just this once I agree to it so that everyone can understand the sense of what I'm trying to express.

This thread started as a hobby or passion for building something yourself with the help of others. Little by little in my humble opinion is becoming in something else, more related to a bussiness.

It's never been my intention to undermind the work thas has been done with the t-dozer, when I say that publication of the footprints for the v3 is not necesary, I do it with the intention of realeasing the preassure of it's creator to publish something. Something he has worked on, and put efford on it. I do not mean to say v3 is not worth it, I simple meant to say that the v2 is the base for the construction of a diy dtg, from which each one can start thinking how to make something more professional.

It's never been my intention to attack anyone, nor have I ever felt attacked. For example, in the fricction shaft subject with schenck, it looked very clear from the begining that those wheels would not provide accurate movements for the printer.. and I believe that german had the answer to that error, but it took him a while to answer it.. precisely because he didn't want to reveal that the v3 did not used a band, but rather the original printer shaft, just like makemygraphix..

later there is the subject of signdog..he was publishing some very nice pictures of his constructtion..but he is repremended to keep him to "cause confusion"? I think those were good pictures and his way of work was great and an inspiration for future builders..we have to encourage this kind of people to publish! not do the opposite!!

On the rip subject.. I get the impression that there are people here with economic interest and they do not have any intention in promoting diferent applications that would make this printer configuration cheaper, it is possible I might be wrong, it's just my impression, I don't want to accuse anyone.

Been able to say it wasn't my intention to mess with this forum or thread is fantastic, I just ask for honesty and if someone intends to make business out of this, he should restrain from it and do it somewhere else!

that's it, just colaboration among everyone and a cool attitude.

Thanks"


well i think all of the above has been answered previously..

just to clarify this thread was started by me after the build was complete.. not little by.... it started with the conveyor design on the white t-dozer base then i published the V2 with the same base and belt driven.. all on the r1900 which no working dtg had been posted.. it actually started way before this as i was expermenting with the 1100wf and a micro controller.. and colaborating with colorfinger whom deceided to abandon the project for other aspirations..

I made the mistake of publishing the v3 photos and deceided to remove them.. I deceided to make this a project for outside the forum and produce it for those that cant outside the forum.. I have made it clear what i will share and what i will not in previous post, and i have shared a tremendous amount from fabricaton methods to the build itself.. the V3 directly relates to sign dogs posting of his photos which were based off of the V3 photos i posted as far as the base frame itself.. Im positive he will tell you the same!!!! I have no issue with anyone posting anything they want of there own design.. none what so ever.. just please start your own thread on your build.. thats all i ask.. to be completly fair here sign dog and i are currently working together on the v3 project, he brings alot to the table that will allow the t dozer to evolve further...

the V2 was made free for everyone.. I gave direction of the build to spiderx1 (randy) in exchange for him producing the pdf clue book on the project.. I have supported peoples questions not only here on the open forum but thru private messages,my personal email, and phone support.. this is a monsterous task for one person but i did it.. what people fail to realize is that not every body that comes here is vocal on the open forum and i help those folks aswell.. the numbers for people that have built this are staggering, what you see here is just the tip of the iceberg... just look at the thread numbers in less than a year some 80,000 ish visitors.. try and answer everyones questions in many different languages and then tell me how you feel.. I beleive i have went above and beyond the call of duty as far as helping people on a free project.. if someone feels otherwise its unfortunate.. the daily gratitude messages i receive from around the world on the project out weight the few na-sayers a million fold..

as far as the rip is concerned: as i said earlier the project and its testing started a year ago there have been many many many tests on different drivers/rip/and utilities.. starting with colorfinger introducing guten print to the project.. we have tried just about everything put in front of us and none have performed better than ek rip.. eukon digital also put a tremendous amount of time and effort into our project for free concerning there development.. when working with the testing of the rip it gave me a clear understanding of what goes into these rip applications.. its no easy task!! they are now reaping those rewards as they should.. also as i have said before i have 0(zero) financial interest in ANY rip production, i paid for mine just like everyone else...

Im not saying there cant be a free alternative, i just have yet to see one that works as it needs to on a professional level.. I encourage anyone involved in a rip application to accomplish this task and make it free as i have the t-dozer V-2.. I support your effort 100% percent..

Its deeply saddening after all thats been contributed to feel the need to explain this projects history for a few that want to recognize it for its future aspirations rather than our contribution here, and it makes you question if the effort of the tenure was worth it.. I ask you to look around the forums here and see if anyone else has paid this much attention to a project, in fact the whole internet for that matter? then take a look around and see if the people who sell these units professionally pay as much attention to there product or spend as much time as i have done for free??? it should tell you something of my character!! all things evolve just like life, theres no way in the begining of a experiment to tell what the conclusion will be or where the road will lead.. we have found something that we are very fond of and there a few people that fit right into place like a puzzle that came from this very forum. they feel the same way about dtg as we do.. we will move forward with our ventures in dtg with these folks in our out of forum projects.. i will support the v2 as much as possible as i always have and there are many that can now provide support that have built it.. the foundation has been laid for all to build upon.. we have gave many the opportunity to be involved in a dtg business that they would not have been able to do previously finacially- due to equipment cost.. Mission Accomplished!!!!!

hope this clarifys things for those that see it different:)

moffett8 February 26th, 2011 07:19 PM

Re: Mission accomplished "license to thrill"
 
Just a quick note on building with the Epson R1800. This model tends to have an ink starvation problem.

Philip

Quote:

Originally Posted by german13 (Post 858697)
Generally speaking the design will work with these epson printers!!! 1100/1400/1800/1900 there is a benefit to using an 1800 printer which is now discontinued.. ink chip reset can be controlled with in the rip!! always full.. the 1100 is currently not rip supported..

the 48xx printers require a slightly wider base..

there are some differences in build demensions depending on what mode your running in.. we prefer sheet mode on the V3..;) the V2 was setup to run in manaul roll but can be run in sheetmode aswell..



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