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Old June 3rd, 2010 Jun 3, 2010 9:19:40 AM -   #1 (permalink)
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Default Possible CISS problems

I have never used a ciss before, and i have minimal experience with refillable cartridges, so i need some feedback from more experienced users.
Some issues that i have in mind are:

How the height of the bottles affect the ink delivery
What will happen after a period of inactivity
Where the ink level should be compared with the printhead level
Can i use a ciss without cartridges if i somehow install autoreset chips in the carriage?
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Old June 3rd, 2010 Jun 3, 2010 5:33:21 PM -   #2 (permalink)
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Default Re: Possible CISS problems

I had experience with ciss on a Epson R380 and I liked it.
However I did not use the printer often and finally the black clogged. Now here is whats weird.
I bought two more used R380's and even without installing the ciss they had black clogged head problems.

So, lets just say the R380's had a issue and it wasn't the ciss's fault. So moving on.

I dont think you would want to connect a ciss up directly without the carts. That would make the height of the tanks really critical.
You would either have a positive pressure on the head or a negative pressure.

You dont want leaks, and you dont want air getting pulled back into the head.

The carts act as a buffer you might say and they work so darn good.
The tubes leading from my tanks to the carts would develop air pockets in them. But...... its not a problem. Because your really only topping off your carts when its needed.

Basically a ciss is just a automatic cartridge filler so you dont have to do it ever so often with syringes.
Personally I like the ciss system, if you print a lot.
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Old June 3rd, 2010 Jun 3, 2010 5:42:22 PM -   #3 (permalink)
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Default Re: Possible CISS problems

Oh and one other thing. I am talking about a ciss system that is added to a gravity feed printer.
Some printers like the Epson 3800 or Ricoh's are like what you mentioned. The tubes are direct to the print head. But they are built for that type delivery.
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Old June 4th, 2010 Jun 4, 2010 6:10:40 AM -   #4 (permalink)
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Default Re: Possible CISS problems

Ford, I just installed a CIS on my 1100... What a mess. The device will operate at different altitudes. Some tips to get you started. One, look at the actual print head. If you see pooling of ink your CIS reservoir is too high. Second, don't fill the reservoir containers to the top. Fill them up to below the air hole... I experienced both problems. I had ink running out of the reservoir and pooling. Once I figured out where the reservoir needs to be all is OK.

I hope this helps,

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Default Re: Possible CISS problems

Mine worked great. I had the tanks sitting next to the printer.
But I can see how there would be a problem if they were to high or to low.
Here is the system I had.
I have it for sale since I sold the 380.

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Old June 4th, 2010 Jun 4, 2010 12:51:37 PM -   #6 (permalink)
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Default Re: Possible CISS problems

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Originally Posted by cmos
How the height of the bottles affect the ink delivery
You will have to find out YOUR perfect height settings for the ink bottles ( it depends on the type of ink you use and some enviromental conditions like humidity, temp. and atmospheric pressure may have an influence onit )

If you see ink dripping on the bottomside of the printhead, then your bottles are too high and you will have to lower them (just like colofinger wrote before) than try print a solid image , if any ink-starvation occurs , yout bottles are to low. so you need to play a little bit

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What will happen after a period of inactivity
depends on how long this period will last.
i can leave my printer (cmyk only) offline for 2-3 days, but i always put a few drops of cleaning fluid in the capping station. when using white ink you should run your machine on a daily basis, or at least do some headcleanings , otherwise the white ink may settle in the carts.

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Can i use a ciss without cartridges if i somehow install autoreset chips in the carriage?
NO. i dont remembert the exact reason , but you should always use cartridges or dampers.
they have a microfilter and it has to do something with the underpressure...
 
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Default Re: Possible CISS problems

Thank you all for sharing your experiences. I hope that i have a lot of orders, so i can install a CISS .
When i do so i will post my experience too. I even consider of making a diy ciss with an agitation system
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Default Re: Possible CISS problems

I have this exact same printer! I need help! i was using a CISS that i got from Macro enter , it work beautiful for about 2 years considering i only use this to print Cd's and some flayers now and then , out of the sudden it gave me a error message to change the cartridges , i turned the printer off and on and nothing , i gave up threw the CISS away and install the original cartridges and now is giving me a error that they cannot be recognized , one i take 1 cartridge out it recognizes all the other but says that there is a missing cartridge , i install this and all of them are not recognized again. Help anybody ??
 
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Default Re: Possible CISS problems

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I have this exact same printer! I need help! i was using a CISS that i got from Macro enter , it work beautiful for about 2 years considering i only use this to print Cd's and some flayers now and then , out of the sudden it gave me a error message to change the cartridges , i turned the printer off and on and nothing , i gave up threw the CISS away and install the original cartridges and now is giving me a error that they cannot be recognized , one i take 1 cartridge out it recognizes all the other but says that there is a missing cartridge , i install this and all of them are not recognized again. Help anybody ??

Did the system you installed clear and replace the printers firm wear with it's own? This is what I have experienced with refillable carts and CISS carts.
 
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Default Re: Possible CISS problems

No the firmware was never replaced.
 
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